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    Player RiyahArp's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zephera View Post
    No we don't. We kick underperformers, not carry them. You can waste time carrying if you want, but if I make a PF I'm going to pick and choose who stays, that's my right as the person who started the group.
    You're wasting time doing runs with randoms, waiting for them to fill your pugs on farm parties and more, and them kicking them when they underperform or wipe you. If the content is hard enough, you're much better off not doing that and not hoping the randoms will be fixed by whatever half-ass measure the devs put out, and instead do it with a static and save PF for less demanding things.

    Quote Originally Posted by HyoMinPark View Post
    Ah, yes. How dare I be a full-time student trying to get a degree
    If you have less time to play, scheduling is far more important precisely because you aren't logging on and waiting for pugs or other players and wiping because you have to kick dps. If you can't make a scheduled day consistently because your schedule is that fluid, you probably shouldn't play. Especially if a student, mmos have caused a lot of people to drop out.

    I think a lot of the issue here is that there really isn't the social aspect to MMOs that you had in other games, the rules that made it possible to act smoothly. The static/raid fc model would do things like consistently schedule, recruit and train new players, etc. here its just everyone gets together when they want and for what they want and expects to do the hardest content in the game without a hitch. When they can't, they expect the devs to fix it and blame players.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RiyahArp View Post
    You're wasting time doing runs with randoms, waiting for them to fill your pugs on farm parties and more, and them kicking them when they underperform or wipe you. If the content is hard enough, you're much better off not doing that and not hoping the randoms will be fixed by whatever half-ass measure the devs put out, and instead do it with a static and save PF for less demanding things.
    PF was made for finding like-minded people to do content with, it's purposefully designed so you can control who gets in your party so you can have the smoothest run possible.
    "Less demanding content" is what DF is for, as that's where you're actually not in control of who's in your party.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RiyahArp View Post
    You're wasting time doing runs with randoms, waiting for them to fill your pugs on farm parties and more, and them kicking them when they underperform or wipe you. If the content is hard enough, you're much better off not doing that and not hoping the randoms will be fixed by whatever half-ass measure the devs put out, and instead do it with a static and save PF for less demanding things.
    If they're going to underperform or repeatedly wipe the party, they shouldn't join farms in the first place. Because they clearly need to practice something, be it rotation or mechanics, and farm parties are not the place for practice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RiyahArp View Post
    You're wasting time doing runs with randoms, waiting for them to fill your pugs on farm parties and more, and them kicking them when they underperform or wipe you. If the content is hard enough, you're much better off not doing that and not hoping the randoms will be fixed by whatever half-ass measure the devs put out, and instead do it with a static and save PF for less demanding things.
    I don't have the time or schedule for a static so PF will have to do. Also, just curious but what do you use PF for? Casual dungeon runs?

    Quote Originally Posted by jameseoakes View Post
    What excluding people based on a few results in a third party website that doesn't even need you to sign up to it, your all just proving to me the worst of what I think of this games raiding player base.
    How dare people have expectations of others and remove them from groups when they don't meet them. I think you're the toxic one if you're wandering into parties and only giving a mediocre performance instead of your best.
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    Player RiyahArp's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zephera View Post
    I don't have the time or schedule for a static so PF will have to do. Also, just curious but what do you use PF for? Casual dungeon runs?
    if i do hard content, its raid finder for learning and clear if possible, pf for learning and clear otherwise. I can't stand farming, by the time i clear i'm sick of the fight so mounts don't matter to me. Raid finder is better for learning because its limited to one lockout and there's no pressure to turn it into a clear/farm party after, i feel.

    Quote Originally Posted by MoroMurasaki View Post
    Between people having different school, work and irl schedules in general there are a lot of times that someone might be looking for a farm party but not have a full group available to them..
    have you ever played any other MMO?

    Because if you can't get 8 people on at the same time, there is no "let's pug this" option for any content of any difficulty. You cancel the raid. If your schedules are so different you can't make a raid night, you find a guild or fc who schedules it when you can. This isn't a game where you need to spend 6 hours just to have a chance at a fight; if you all can't be bothered to schedule one night a week at minimum and stick to it, wtf will any of you do if SE decides to make endgame more involved than a boss in a box? There's only so much hard raids can compensate for limited time and reliance on randoms, if you can't use the social tools players used to counter this, there's no way SE will fix this just by adding a parser or gating out the bads. It will wind up being like them getting rid of Feast chat, a ham-handed solution that no one likes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RiyahArp View Post
    have you ever played any other MMO?
    Not who you're responding to with this, but difficult content in MMO's can't survive on statics alone these days. Blizzard was going to quit making raids in WoW entirely were it not for the introduction of the LFR system because not enough people were doing them. Statics aren't easy to create or hold together and if you make content that requires a static, you're going to find the amount of people doing the difficult content will be so low it's not worth making content like that anymore.
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