Raid behavior is getting worse lately

[Vahlnir]

It's unfortunate, but jerks are everywhere on the internet. Looks like you found a few of them. However, I wouldn't let one incident shape your opinion of the player base who runs raids. Or even the player base a whole for that matter. The behavior you mentioned is reportable. Report the offending parties and move on. My experience has been mostly positive when it comes to this community. Are there outliers? Yeah, of course. I've seen a few of them. But they aren't everyone.

[Kleeya]

Bait or not, lately I had noticed an up of trolls in my levelling roulettes. 24 man wise I had a guy who needed to step out for pizza and some people getting verbally nasty also a Raba run where on first boss I spent most of the fight repeatedly solo rezzing 2 alliances (dunno why healers/rdm/smn have allergy to rezz duty *sighs*)

About the rezzes, even if it goes against the group interest as a whole, as a rdm i will almost never rez if they are some healers still alive around. Because the more i use mana and waste gcds on raising, the most my dps will go down and the more risk i will take to have some parser freak blaming me for a too low average damage. Now if only they weren't any people that look only at your dps and the pretty color you end up categorized with on fflogs reports frontpages for the whole world to see, not caring about looking anything else like "have you been useful to do some healer job ?", i sure would raise more. But sadly it isn't the case and you have to take into account jerks who dont know how to use they tools properly into account.

An explanation who have nothing to do with the op's personnal problem, but still go along the "raid behavior is getting worse lately" theme.

[RuleofThree]

About the rezzes, even if it goes against the group interest as a whole, as a rdm i will almost never rez if they are some healers still alive around. Because the more i use mana and waste gcds on raising, the most my dps will go down and the more risk i will take to have some parser freak blaming me for a too low average damage. Now if only they weren't any people that look only at your dps and the pretty color you end up categorized with on fflogs reports frontpages for the whole world to see, not caring about looking anything else like "have you been useful to do some healer job ?", i sure would raise more. But sadly it isn't the case and you have to take into account jerks who dont know how to use they tools properly into account.

An explanation who have nothing to do with the op's personnal problem, but still go along the "raid behavior is getting worse lately" theme.

I mean, same could be said for healers too. Healers need to dps, and dying is 'wasted mana.' If I see a red mage never using a raise, I will purposefully not raise someone, and hope the other healer does the same. So I guess we are both trolls.

[Deceptus]

I mean, same could be said for healers too. Healers need to dps, and dying is 'wasted mana.' If I see a red mage never using a raise, I will purposefully not raise someone, and hope the other healer does the same. So I guess we are both trolls.

If you're not doing your job, yes you are a troll.

Yes healer can dps, but they don't need to. On a per CD basis RDM dps is worth more than a healer DPS so if anyone should be doing the dps it's, surprise, the dps.

[RiyahArp]

Yes healer can dps, but they don't need to. On a per CD basis RDM dps is worth more than a healer DPS so if anyone should be doing the dps it's, surprise, the dps.

You only get any benefit if the healer can swiftcast raise. If not, the healer is going to leave the dead person on the floor till they can safely hardcast raise without anyone dying or it being interrupted. the one GCD you lose may wind up being several or more lost GCDs from the player on the floor. You shouldn't always instantly raise every time, but you actually lose out on party dps over selfish dps by a lot if the healer can't. And red mage can raise when a healer simply can't or shouldn't, like mechanics with a lot of movement time.

You shouldn't have that kind of rule. Like there are many times as red mage a single dualcast vercure would push a dps above the one-shot limit from a mechanic after they just ate one, and the healer can't OGCD them. It takes judgment, but there's a lot of ways your one spent gcd can give much more. If not, just ignore rdm anyways; DRG now is just as easy and is a superior dps with no need to worry about that.

[HyoMinPark]

About the rezzes, even if it goes against the group interest as a whole, as a rdm i will almost never rez if they are some healers still alive around. Because the more i use mana and waste gcds on raising, the most my dps will go down and the more risk i will take to have some parser freak blaming me for a too low average damage. Now if only they weren't any people that look only at your dps and the pretty color you end up categorized with on fflogs reports frontpages for the whole world to see, not caring about looking anything else like "have you been useful to do some healer job ?", i sure would raise more. But sadly it isn't the case and you have to take into account jerks who dont know how to use they tools properly into account.

An explanation who have nothing to do with the op's personnal problem, but still go along the "raid behavior is getting worse lately" theme.

And yet, most people I see complaining about RDMs (and sometimes SMNs) are not complaining about their damage; they complain when the RDM won't raise someone if the healer simply isn't in a position to (e.g., no Swiftcast, lots of raid-wide damage, multiple deaths, squishy tank...the list goes on). I've even ran into RDMs that won't raise whenever both healers are down, and instead we either wipe (8 mans) or wait for someone else to pick us up (24 man).

I'm more likely to call you out for not using Verraise to help instead of your damage. Just like I call out DPS that won't AOE when appropriate. A RDM or a SMN that won't help their party via raising when necessary is just as bad as a tank who won't use cooldowns or a BRD that won't use Refresh.

Use your kit.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

About the rezzes, even if it goes against the group interest as a whole, as a rdm i will almost never rez if they are some healers still alive around. Because the more i use mana and waste gcds on raising, the most my dps will go down and the more risk i will take to have some parser freak blaming me for a too low average damage. Now if only they weren't any people that look only at your dps and the pretty color you end up categorized with on fflogs reports frontpages for the whole world to see, not caring about looking anything else like "have you been useful to do some healer job ?", i sure would raise more. But sadly it isn't the case and you have to take into account jerks who dont know how to use they tools properly into account.

An explanation who have nothing to do with the op's personnal problem, but still go along the "raid behavior is getting worse lately" theme.

Ironically, I am far more likely to kick you because of your refusal to raise. And like HyoMin, the mentality is shared amongst many on the raider side of things. Raises typically impact your DPS very little; certainly not enough where anyone who didn't already know how to properly analyse a parse would know. Put simply, if someone were dumb enough to fault a Red Mage for low DPS while ignoring how many raises they cast, that person is likely bad enough, you wouldn't want to party with them anyway. Regardless, I know plenty of Red Mages who parse 90+ despite casting Verraise. So this sounds more like an excuse, if I'm being honest.

[Connor]

It’s off-topic, but I think using Verraise as a Red Mage is kinda important to get the most out of the job. It’s there to support as well as deal damage, and raising party members when the healers aren’t able to raise is part of that. If a Red Mage solely deals damage, isn’t that the same as being a less potent Black Mage?

In terms of raid behaviour I want to support the OP but I don’t feel like I have enough information to take a side. That said, everyone has experienced being grouped with a less than savoury character. It’s understandable to be upset and I’d say it’s a perfectly valid response when someone is being genuinely mean. Unfortunately, there’s not much that can be done realistically. Banning people who are mean just gets rid of their character, the attitude and it’s effects still exist. And I honestly believe that bad attitudes can spread if not addressed properly. The issue then is how do you realistically address something like this? SE can’t exactly force the world to be nice to each other (as nice as that would be lol)

[sakkito]

@Kleeya :O first time I hear about people being salty about rdm/smn preferring to keep party alive to personal dps :x. Tho most hardcore raiding I have done are alpha nm/ latest 24man/some of the recent ex trials - I would say I am far from pro nor I am a raider but I have yet to encounter a person bitching at me because of my fflogs. I am guessing the fflogs are a thing to actually matter when it comes to recent savages.
On the other side you are making out that website sound like a tool of Satan instead of what it actually can be tho it depends on personal perspective. I am sure there are people that use it as a weapon (they are just hiding from me so far x) ) but for me as a person who is still -learning- and I am sure for many others as well it is a way of just keeping tabs on self improvement and how are they doing. The fact that you see it as some kind of big brother saddens me. This is a lot of pressure to put on yourself and also encouraged you to be less of a team player. This is mmo. This is a game that is supposed to encourage team work. Anyone who rages at you for keeping party alive is well to put it offensively an idiot. You can kick him from instance and dedicate him to me . If anyone gets verbally abusive tho because of numbers at that should be reported. While squex got slightly more lenient towards users of third party apps it definitely doesn’t encourage this kind of use of them.

[hynaku]

Red Mage can't always use raise. 3 times using raise equals 0 mp left with hardly any means of refreshing it. If have the mp to spare I will raise ones. Rdm can also help with back up healing if needed.