We Really Need To Talk About The State And Path Of FFXIV

[KaivaC]

The only people where those stats matter are the world-first contenders, because any advantage they can have is worth it. The game itself doesn't require this kind of min-maxing to beat.
So, denying character builds because 0.00000001% of the population would actually kick you for not being optimal is a very weak excuse...

Going through the posts over the last several pages and came across this - I'd like to refute this. At a certain level, those stats do start to actually matter. Back when I was actively obsessing over getting orange/blue numbers, I spent literal entire playtimes doing nothing but practicing Monk on the God Kefka dummy. Pre-melds, I was not clearing the dummy. After suggested melds, I was clearing the dummy relatively easily. I would chance to say that had I actually entered V8S, the results would be the same in the sense that I would be pulling my own weight, rather than relying on my other party members to carry me. Stats matter in the sense that you are sharing the burden with your other party members, rather than adding to their burdens. This goes hand in hand with knowing your rotations as well, just from my experience in 4.2.

[Reynhart]

Pre-melds, I was not clearing the dummy. After suggested melds, I was clearing the dummy relatively easily.

Just a reminder on what started this exchange :

If the stats “didn’t matter”, why is it that tank BiS for the last two tiers has chosen pentamelded crafted accessories over the Savage or Tomestone accessories?

As a tank who doesn't have millions to spend on Pentalmelded acc, I never had any trouble clearing the dummies as long as I had the ilvl to enter the corresponding content. I don't say that you should keep your materia slots empty or anything (Which, by the way, was the situation I used on my "5% DPS on DRG" example). So again, unless you tackle Savage with a competitive mindset (Which is fine, but hardly shared by a lot of the playerbase) using Tome/Raid acc as a tank is nowhere near "gimping" yourself.

[KaivaC]

With the exception of Warrior, tanks don't have as huge of a rotation on dummies that Dps worry about, plus the differing hp pools that change based on what job you're going in on. You don't really need to pentameld, though I do believe that in the content where it would matter, players do need to meld. Stats matter in the context at least, and the game is currently giving players so many ways to get said materia

[Hamada]

Just a reminder on what started this exchange :

As a tank who doesn't have millions to spend on Pentalmelded acc, I never had any trouble clearing the dummies as long as I had the ilvl to enter the corresponding content. I don't say that you should keep your materia slots empty or anything (Which, by the way, was the situation I used on my "5% DPS on DRG" example). So again, unless you tackle Savage with a competitive mindset (Which is fine, but hardly shared by a lot of the playerbase) using Tome/Raid acc as a tank is nowhere near "gimping" yourself.

Do everyone a favor and please do not give advice to people:

....It's this kind of mentality that gives me low level tanks with accessories that have spell speed and mind in them in level roulette because they wanted to play a "mage tank".

Christ....

Melds do not cost " millions" as you said, TANK! you are not melding a crafter. This game hands you materia doing your experts and weekly 24 man, this is not an excuse. Do not make excuses for poor play. This game is easy as is and you want people be even worse. There is DPS checks all over the place that people fail to meet from wearing improper gear/ melds/ going into dungeons way under geared.

Oh THOSE. Yeah the devs need to take action with that as well. They seem to have a big problem with changing anything that isn't the new thing. Tanks up to SB can still wear STR accessories, but also everything else. Again, another oversight by the loveable devs. Or maybe not an oversight. Just didn't care.

I do not think that is the issue. Now I am assuming this point because of lack of communication but I think it has to do with cultural differences. I do not think the devs expected people to put such minimal effort. Look how Reynhart is speaking here, how much you want to bet this doesn't exist or at least happens a lot less, in the Japanese community?

If they really were in touch with us, they would put measures in the game to stop people severely gimping themselves real fast by preventing entry like ilevel scans for higher content.

Also stop using stawmans, no one is asking for "to invest millions in crafted/ pentamelds" we were all talking about PROPER MELDS, meaning USING THE CORRECT STATS for your gear, and that is mostly about the 100% 2 slots in tome gear. Please try to understand the conversation better. Also if we are talking about crafted gear, people really should have VI materias in the 100% slots, while the overmelds are Vs or IVs, there is NO EXCUSE NOT TO DO THIS!!!!!

[Magic-Mal]

I do not think that is the issue. Now I am assuming this point because of lack of communication but I think it has to do with cultural differences. I do not think the devs expected people to put such minimal effort. Look how Reynhart is speaking here, how much you want to bet this doesn't exist or at least happens a lot less, in the Japanese community?

If they really were in touch with us, they would put measures in the game to stop people severely gimping themselves real fast by preventing entry like ilevel scans for higher content.

Also stop using stawmans, no one is asking for "to invest millions in crafted/ pentamelds" we were all talking about PROPER MELDS, meaning USING THE CORRECT STATS for your gear, and that is mostly about the 100% 2 slots in tome gear. Please try to understand the conversation better. Also if we are talking about crafted gear, people really should have VI materias in the 100% slots, while the overmelds are Vs or IVs, there is NO EXCUSE NOT TO DO THIS!!!!!

Was this meant for me O.o? What does it have to do with what you quoted from me? I never said anything about spending millions..