We Really Need To Talk About The State And Path Of FFXIV

[Reynhart]

If the stats “didn’t matter”, why is it that tank BiS for the last two tiers has chosen pentamelded crafted accessories over the Savage or Tomestone accessories?

The only people where those stats matter are the world-first contenders, because any advantage they can have is worth it. The game itself doesn't require this kind of min-maxing to beat.
So, denying character builds because 0.00000001% of the population would actually kick you for not being optimal is a very weak excuse...

[HyoMinPark]

The only people where those stats matter are the world-first contenders, because any advantage they can have is worth it. The game itself doesn't require this kind of min-maxing to beat.
So, denying character builds because 0.00000001% of the population would actually kick you for not being optimal is a very weak excuse...

Plenty of non-world first raiders optimize because they do matter in the content they're participating in, and in the context in which they are participating is said content for. Just because the rest of the game makes them irrelevant with its faceroll content doesn't mean they don't exist.

[Hamada]

Nice strawmans. Try to refute the points instead of posting nonsense like this. Or, perhaps, you respond like this because you have no argument?

I'll maybe address the rest of your points later when I have the time (heading to class), but this literally made me pause and then laugh out loud. It's real hard to take any arguments you have seriously when you resort to comments like these.

I am just going to second this. The whole thing has giving me a headache but to magic mal, homin is right, that statement is a .. well I would call it more of a red herring but regardless I agree with the point. Lets try to keep comments like that out of the conversation?

For the topic itself, they really really need to stop repeating the same content, with the only difference is a new ilevel increase. I been doing the same thing since ARR, that really needs to change, same idea behind doing expert, same 450 tomes, same 24 raid, same overall format. People have different tolerances of doing something like that, but everyone has a breaking point.

The only people where those stats matter are the world-first contenders, because any advantage they can have is worth it. The game itself doesn't require this kind of min-maxing to beat.
So, denying character builds because 0.00000001% of the population would actually kick you for not being optimal is a very weak excuse...

so gimping yourself is ok because the game is not hard? sounds legit.

[Reynhart]

so gimping yourself is ok because the game is not hard? sounds legit.

Calling "losing less than 5% of your personal DPS" gimping is still the same overreaction everybody has. Basically, if you don't have a parser, you won't even notice...

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Calling "losing less than 5% of your personal DPS" gimping is still the same overreaction everybody has. Basically, if you don't have a parser, you won't even notice...

Hmm, let's ask how the Machinists and Bards feel about not having a Dragoon around seeing 5% is precisely what they lose without Disembowel. Seeing how it's been a frequent request the devs remove piercing entirely even from the JP side, I'd say a lot of people care. Saying "well don't parse" is basically saying "remain blissfully ignorant." It's a non-argument.

I mean, if you're going to say it doesn't matter. Why bother getting the higher ilvl to begin with?

[HyoMinPark]

Calling "losing less than 5% of your personal DPS" gimping is still the same overreaction everybody has. Basically, if you don't have a parser, you won't even notice...

It doesn’t change that the difference is still there. In a raid setting, which we were talking about a raid setting, you will be hard pressed to not find at least 1 individual parsing. Usually there are more than just one, and a lot of raiders do care about things like damage. There’s a reason people that enjoy optimization follow BiS and practice optimal rotations and align their damage buffs for bursts. As for the “losing less than 5% of your personal DPS”... well BRD/MCH loses 5% simply by not having a DRG, and we all know how much they dislike that. People care: about damage, about substats, about whether or not they’re being gimped; just because you may not doesn’t change that.

People are more than welcome to gimp themselves if they so please. I don’t understand it, but I don’t control them. However, they will be suboptimal and there is no other way to argue that. Just like advocating for STR on a RDM is wrong and suboptimal, advocating a pure Skill Speed build on a job like MCH is also wrong and suboptimal. People can do whatever, but don’t advocate that what you’re (general) doing is revolutionary.

[Hamada]

Calling "losing less than 5% of your personal DPS" gimping is still the same overreaction everybody has. Basically, if you don't have a parser, you won't even notice...

Funny how you should say that. I do runs with my GF and the last expert we did she was left confused. The bard appeared doing good rotations (rare) but the expert was flowing slower then it should of been with someone playing like that. She checked the gear and that is exactly what the issue was, a bit lower ilevel then you typically see now a days in expert + wrong melds. So you are wrong on that front, people can notice without parsers.

So try again? Also take a look what bourne and hyo are saying. If you are going to meld at all why not do it correctly in the scope of best? Not doing so is simply doing this:

[MoroMurasaki]

Calling "losing less than 5% of your personal DPS" gimping is still the same overreaction everybody has. Basically, if you don't have a parser, you won't even notice...

I assume you've never wiped to a low % enrage? Or, inversely, killed something as it's enrage was casting?

5% can literally be the difference between a clear and a wipe.

People can do whatever, but don’t advocate that what you’re (general) doing is revolutionary.

It's not revolutionary it's just showing ignorance to facts and disrespect to any party they join.

Stuffing your fingers in your ears and running around melding what is clearly suboptimal especially if you intend to run content with an enrage is inconsiderate at best and malicious at worst.

[Reynhart]

I assume you've never wiped to a low % enrage? Or, inversely, killed something as it's enrage was casting?

Sure, it happens sometimes in Savage...so now, we're talking about occasionnal occurences in content that an extreme minority of people are actually interested in...

Sure, let's deny the option for the whole playerbase because of that...fun be damned !

Why not removing ex primals then ? After all, their reward are always lower than savage, thus, not BiS, and thus totally gimping your character, right ?

She checked the gear and that is exactly what the issue was, a bit lower ilevel then you typically see now a days in expert + wrong melds.

Having a lower ilvl means having lower main stats. And whatever meld you use will never make up for it, especially if your weapon is low. Again, with the proper ilvl, she wouldn't have noticed.

Oh, by the way...according to this calculation, my 5% example was if I took my lvl 70 DRG in full Anemos set, and meld every left slot to Det VI going from 1200 to 2400 (Which is impossible). So, we're really far from the "tank pentameld acc or gtfo". So, in your picture, you're kicking the rightmost fork cause one of its teeth is one millimeter shorter...

[HyoMinPark]

Sure, it happens sometimes in Savage...so now, we're talking about occasionnal occurences in content that an extreme minority of people are actually interested in...

Sure, let's deny the option for the whole playerbase because of that...fun be damned !

Why not removing ex primals then ? After all, their reward are always lower than savage, thus, not BiS, and thus totally gimping your character, right ?

More strawmans.

The primal weapons exist to give alternatives to Tomestone and Savage weapons, or to act as progression weapons until you get the one you’re after—Suzaku’s weapons will likely be i385, putting them above the i380 weapons simply due to weapon damage alone, and will serve as good progression weapons for raiders that aren’t aiming to clear the tier within a month until they can get something better (an Augmented Tomestone weapon, for example) or their Savage weapon.

They will also serve as good interim weapons for people who can’t/don’t want to buy a crafted weapon from the market board (or who can’t craft one themselves) until 7 weeks pass and they get the Alphascape Crystalliods and 1,000 Genesis tomestones for the i390 Tomestone weapon.