Make old feast rewards somehow available again

[Kaiche]

it's interesting that you'd bring up Ultimate weapons - because while these are reserved as exclusive for people who attempt and clear the fight, they are by no means seasonal or limited. And that's what PVP rewards does wrong. If Ultimate weapons were only given to say, the first 10 teams to clear across a data center (that would be 80 people, so close to the amount of a Feast leaderboard standing) raiders would lose. their. minds. There would definitely be competition - but to the detriment of health/sleep/work/school/relationships.

Comparing PvP seasonal feast reward style to PvEs is like comparing an apple to an orange. They do NOT work the same way as each other by design. Using this as a point is flawed before its even started since one is ridiculous in play when the other Is not.

Plus, when you limit something like this, to only a select few, people will do everything they can to get that shiny thing

That's the point of the rewards - Incentive. Incentive to compete in the rankings to secure that spot for highly valued items, It is human nature after all.

Including buying their way to the top or using third party software programs to cheat. So no, PVP is not some amazing echelon of skill. That's not to say that the players who love it aren't skilled - many are, but don't think for a minute that some people won't resort to TOS-breaking measures to make up for the skill they lack.

To those who do cheat / boost what have you Its honestly quite pathetic on many levels since realistically its not hard at all, doesnt take much skill to enter the top 100 anyway, usually the skill peaks around top 30, top 10 is where things get quite "sweaty" if you will.

[Stormfur]

Comparing PvP seasonal feast reward style to PvEs is like comparing an apple to an orange. They do NOT work the same way as each other by design. Using this as a point is flawed before its even started since one is ridiculous in play when the other Is not.

That's the point of the rewards - Incentive. Incentive to compete in the rankings to secure that spot for highly valued items, It is human nature after all.

To those who do cheat / boost what have you Its honestly quite pathetic on many levels since realistically its not hard at all, doesnt take much skill to enter the top 100 anyway, usually the skill peaks around top 30, top 10 is where things get quite "sweaty" if you will.

Then why are there no exclusive rewards for other equally-challenging/time-consuming rankings? There are leaderboards for the top Frontline users, top Free companies, top POTD/HoH scores...but those don't matter except to see your name on a web page. Are they not just as hard and involved? I'd say they are -- more so than Feast.

The whole Feast system is flawed by design, because it's not just about your skill or your ability to work as a team - it weighs heavily on whether you are matched with teammates of equal skill/coordination, and given the small pool of players, it's entirely possible to be on a team full of Gold players and a Bronze healer. You know that no matter how skilled YOU are, that healer is going to get curb-stomped. And that affects YOUR ranking. You can't even talk to them to explain what to do (that's how I first learned to Feast) because there's no chat.

We need a greater pool of Feast players, but we won't get them until the devs take some action on the reputation that Feast has as being a cesspool of cheaters and boosters, not to mention their ironclad grip on rewards that are 4+ years old now. At the very least, they could give us versions of those rewards that could be obtained with Wolf Collars, and then circulate the rewards again so that more folks can have a chance (and do something about the lack of rank decay and constant alts on the board).

Feast just feels like the mushroom of the FFXIV world

[Kaiche]

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Because different content is different content, pvp isnt pve storm, pvp games have seasons because its ways of keeping things fresh whilst seeing who is the best in each season / current time. Now IMO it would be cool if they did add something for FL but as of right now its just a "whoevers got the most time spent in there and win / losses ratio" gets put up first, perhaps if they changed how the ranking works like say first 30 matches u play count towards a score based on wins and kills that would be an ideal way to measure that. Top potd/hoh scores would be cool to but I feel u get rewarded enough by completion as is. Top free companies is a pointless statistic anyway rewarding that is irrelevant because thats not a competition.

It's match making is underwhelming thats for sure, this has been a problem since the start, as well as a natural unbalance when u have alts in play making the real ranking of a team technically higher.

They have good reason to keep these rewards exclusive as ive said many times before its the incentive or trophy you achieve for competing, it makes absolutely zero sense just because you or someone else happens to want it and now make said items easily obtainable because reasons. You dont win a trophy in real life for it to be handed out to every guy who happens to say "hey they havent given this trophy for a long time, I want it!" These Items are valuable for a reason and are one of the few items in general in the game that has massive value, why hand it out for trivial things like top fl wins.

The way they need to attract players is a more fun mode in general and more incentive for just participating, more options for wolf collars THAT ARE NOT TOP 100 REWARDS... Feedback is key but the devs / pvp team doesnt seem to care for it as most of the things that happen make you stand and think "huh? why?" there is a disconnect between the pvpers and the devs. Until feedback and suggestions are taken seriously and implemented feast will stay in the unpredictable mess that it currently Is, Gms need more power regarding pvp reports, cheaters and boosters but where is that for example? they take chat log spam more seriously then a speedhacker, you know how much of a joke that is? Doesn't set a good standard at all.

Realistically rank decay wont change much at all, It's not like those who are below will suddenly rise up from this nor will people who are high suddenly drop from top 100 its a wasted and unnecessary action. It wont be done anyway, not with the "highest score" in affect.

Real talk: Majority are just too lazy to bother and instead refer to begging with unrealistic ideas and suggestions which take no account of pvp reward structure, value and design in gaming.

[Stormfur]

Because different content is different content, pvp isnt pve storm, pvp games have seasons because its ways of keeping things fresh whilst seeing who is the best in each season / current time.

Oh, no I totally get why they have seasons...but this game wasn't built to be a PVP game, is what I'm saying. It may not have the same rewards structure as PVE but it absolutely carries over the exact kind of format in terms of the skills we have available and the sluggish server response-times. The engine and infrastructure of the game are just not meant to be able to perform on a level that's needed for a truly competitive PVP arena-style game.

They have good reason to keep these rewards exclusive as ive said many times before its the incentive or trophy you achieve for competing, it makes absolutely zero sense just because you or someone else happens to want it and now make said items easily obtainable because reasons. You dont win a trophy in real life for it to be handed out to every guy who happens to say "hey they havent given this trophy for a long time, I want it!" These Items are valuable for a reason and are one of the few items in general in the game that has massive value, why hand it out for trivial things like top fl wins.

I don't think they should make the same rewards attainable for top Frontline wins (or anything else outside of Feast), but if you're going to have leaderboards with rankings like that, why not throw them a bone too -- and not just a reskinned Allagan orb.

[Stormfur]

The way they need to attract players is a more fun mode in general and more incentive for just participating, more options for wolf collars THAT ARE NOT TOP 100 REWARDS... Feedback is key but the devs / pvp team doesnt seem to care for it as most of the things that happen make you stand and think "huh? why?" there is a disconnect between the pvpers and the devs.

The thing is, the desire and the skill may be there, but the time might not. I was queued up for 4v4 feast yesterday as the second-most desired role (tank and/or melee). You know how long I waited to get a match? 9 HOURS. And I'm not starting from unranked either. I'm close to Gold. And this was during prime time on my server. Hardly anyone is participating in Feast because it does require such an outlay of time to the exclusion of everything else in the game.

What I think they should have done is kept trophies available for the top 1, top 10 and top 100, as well as titles. In addition, you get collars - the number of which depends on your tier, as it is now. But allow those who placed in the top 100 to get their reward first. So they could exchange 10 collars for a new thing, but everyone who didn't reach that amount has to wait and try again until they earn enough. This would serve two functions: 1) it gives the top 100 their exclusivity for a time and 2) diminishes the effect of boosting/alts/win-trading because it won't matter nearly as much, since eventually other players will have the same thing.

Of course you might think "but they didn't play nearly as well as I did, so they don't deserve it" -- but remember that having fresh new rewards will always keep the top players involved. They'll always get theirs first, so they'll always have "bragging rights" to show that they earned it during that season.