Make old feast rewards somehow available again

[Kaiche]

I think you are exaggerating. Me (and surely enough other people who do the Frontline daily) still need victories for our mount achivements. When I lose, I just try again because there is nothing I effectivly lose. Ranked on the other hand looks completly different.

Exaggerating what? Adding top 100 glams and mounts to unranked queue is ridiculous and makes absolutely no sense, of course if u lose in a frontlines match its whatev's but thats not the point here Im saying that if u add these things to the unranked queue as well what is that going to change? vets will go there 2 and now we have duplicate queues for the same thing, Having it just say "unranked" isnt going to suddenly make it better is it lol there is no logic in this.

Ranked is supposed to, well, rank the player. If you want to show how good you are and if you want trophies, you should play ranked. A rank and trophies are tied to you winning some kind of competition. Glamour and mounts on the other hand are not!

You just contradicted yourself here by saying if you want "trophies" you should play ranked but you are saying top 100 rewards shouldnt have glams and mounts... why? The rewards are there for incentive AND for people to compete. Great rewards = Better competition. This is a ranked competitive mode after all so why shouldnt rewards be there? This is literally the point of competing!! for a good prize. You saying glams and mounts are not suitable for top 100 has no weight whatsoever.

[Kooper16]

I also play a handfull of other competitiv games and guess what I get when I play ranked: A small little "trophy" with the color of my rank in the last season for every season. Nothing else. And there are still a lot of people who play both modes. People who want to have competition play ranked. Those who just want to try things or want to only have fun play unranked.
And maybe I should be more clear on what I mean trophies. I mean litteral trophies. Trophies you can put into your house or titles that specificly tell "Guy who reached rank 1 in season 8". Not mounts and glamours that could also be associated with something else if they weren't already implemented this way into the game.

[Kaiche]

I also play a handfull of other competitiv games and guess what I get when I play ranked: A small little "trophy" with the color of my rank in the last season for every season. Nothing else. And there are still a lot of people who play both modes. People who want to have competition play ranked. Those who just want to try things or want to only have fun play unranked.
And maybe I should be more clear on what I mean trophies. I mean litteral trophies. Trophies you can put into your house or titles that specificly tell "Guy who reached rank 1 in season 8". Not mounts and glamours that could also be associated with something else if they weren't already implemented this way into the game.

Same here, If a game has compet I usually hop in. What game are you referring to? sounds like OW in this example. You're not wrong but also games give bigger rewards like glam and mounts too there's no set rule for rewards for competing.
If there was only a reward for 1st place feast would be dead on arrival, I can see it now highest rank being like a high silver, It wouldn't work and removing such rewards wouldnt make sense neither, why limit rewards for work u put into competing against other players for a top 100 spot? Who realistically wants a trophy, mounts and glams hold way more value then that, that is why people like to play and get high ranks in the first place.

The only thing I agree with you here is that the chair mount was controversial since it was based of that one npc aulus(?) magitek chair but if you look at it they're not even the same, still I feel that the rewards could be more pvp like in a way thats not so related to pve and such but thats the only case where this applies. Hell hound mounts go with the hell hound armor which makes sense since this is the theme of feast anyway. old s1-2 coats give that champion feel and the current glamour right now is also like an intimidating style of armor which works in this feast setting - reminds me of like the guardian of lichenweed, if you remember that map.

[oLLiCS]

I think you are exaggerating. Me (and surely enough other people who do the Frontline daily) still need victories for our mount achivements. When I lose, I just try again because there is nothing I effectivly lose. Ranked on the other hand looks completly different. Ranked is supposed to, well, rank the player. If you want to show how good you are and if you want trophies, you should play ranked. A rank and trophies are tied to you winning some kind of competition. Glamour and mounts on the other hand are not!

Glamour and mounts as reward for Top100/Top30 stand for the respective season you played, so the reward itself respresents the season. Imagine the top100 players get nothing but a silly rank and one guy gets a trophy. Ranks have no meaning since Season 5 anymore. On top of that we had seasons where players ranked 101+ and got the highest rank without even placing Top100. It is a competition and the rewards are glamour and mounts. Old Feast rewards shouldn't be made available for players who didn't play back then (myself included, I wish I got my hands on the Season 1 coat) and even IF they're made available again, then it should be purchasable via wolf collars just like the weapons.

Feast (4vs4 ranked) is a competition, not a grind.

The only point I agree with you is that Feast rewards should have no relation to PvE such as the magitek conveyor or hellhound (I know it was highly requested by the community).

[Nova_Rox]

I think you are exaggerating. Me (and surely enough other people who do the Frontline daily) still need victories for our mount achivements. When I lose, I just try again because there is nothing I effectivly lose. Ranked on the other hand looks completly different. Ranked is supposed to, well, rank the player. If you want to show how good you are and if you want trophies, you should play ranked. A rank and trophies are tied to you winning some kind of competition. Glamour and mounts on the other hand are not!

On Aether people get salty. I run a Rival Wings discord and every time we do our weekly RW event there are people that are raging.

[Gallus]

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No I haven't flamed anyone through chat, spammed them or used ignore marks as a way to annoy someone. You don't have pics of a situation that doesn't exist. Go ahead and look for them in your recorded games.

Do you know what's the issue here? That you can't believe what I'm saying because someone who says that they don't flame stands out so much from your "already established as normal daily harassment and insults" in your PvP games that you just can't take my words serious and assume I'm lying. But truth is I haven't flamed. I'm not pretending.

You don't really need to tell me to "stay away from competitive mode or games" because I've done so for a while now.
I came to this thread simply to agree with the TC that the rewards should be made available outside ranked. Locking stuff behind a mode that doesn't even have a chat due to people's inability to contain their anger is a poor idea. In this kind of mode your average player has normalized a behavior that makes the rest of us stay away from it (for obvious reasons).

[Kaiche]

No I haven't flamed anyone through chat, spammed them or used ignore marks as a way to annoy someone. You don't have pics of a situation that doesn't exist. Go ahead and look for them in your recorded games.

Do you know what's the issue here? That you can't believe what I'm saying because someone who says that they don't flame stands out so much from your "already established as normal daily harassment and insults" in your PvP games that you just can't take my words serious and assume I'm lying. But truth is I haven't flamed. I'm not pretending.

You don't really need to tell me to "stay away from competitive mode or games" because I've done so for a while now.
I came to this thread simply to agree with the TC that the rewards should be made available outside ranked. Locking stuff behind a mode that doesn't even have a chat due to people's inability to contain their anger is a poor idea. In this kind of mode your average player has normalized a behavior that makes the rest of us stay away from it (for obvious reasons).

I'm sure many can attest to that but I digress.

What are you even talking about? I didnt say you did flame people however I've seen you spam in-game in the feast and mark people before, you're no angel here is what im saying. Do you understand why such things occur to you (and other players) why certain people get ignore marked? Read what I said again because thats the reason things like that happen; Even Nova_Rox said it perfectly before so I aint going to go in it. What I can't take seriously is how you act like every single pvper you encounter is some toxic animal waiting to just flame the crap out of you and it couldnt b
e further from the truth, you have a bias from a few bad experiences but the logic you present for certain ideas and suggestions is quite wack, Im glad you dont play compet games anymore cos its too much for you it seem and it would do you some good, smack talk is everywhere in real life and in competitive games, even sports just fyi.

Im all for more rewards outside of ranked feast but if people want the top 100 reward system we have now then you're having a laugh. Frontlines leader board could be a cool way to reward those who are top with something.

It's not the limited time. It's the limited amount of players who are able to get it. Theoretically everyone can get Ultimate weapons. Only 100 people can get Feast rewards.

If they didnt have a limit then it defeats the purpose of competitive seasons, this is what people forget and only see the reward side of things and not the actual structure of how ranked pvp design works. Ok, let's say for example: there was no limit to how many people could get this reward BUT you had to reach diamond rank to achieve the reward in the season, It wouldn't change anything at all in the grand scheme of things and infact, it would make it worse! since majority of the seasons have many in plat and about 30 in diamond so that would be worse (assuming there was a minimum elo threshold for the reward) and if there wasn't then this makes no sense to begin with looking from your PoV. I hope they do make the savage content set in level / ilevel so that it is still a feat to achieve and not a cakewalk like ponies, and the birds.

[Kooper16]

If they didnt have a limit then it defeats the purpose of competitive seasons, this is what people forget and only see the reward side of things and not the actual structure of how ranked pvp design works.

No, it's not. You compete to show that you are the best. Rewards and rank should be a proof of skill but as I stated before, rewards should be tied to pvp itself. If someone sees your reward, they should already know where it's coming from. Maybe not the season but seeing the chair of a dungeonboss and then hearing "yeah I got it from something completly unrelated" is ridiculus. That's why I said trophies. Litteraly trophes. Not exclusivly first place trophy.

[Kaiche]

No, it's not. You compete to show that you are the best. Rewards and rank should be a proof of skill but as I stated before, rewards should be tied to pvp itself. If someone sees your reward, they should already know where it's coming from. Maybe not the season but seeing the chair of a dungeonboss and then hearing "yeah I got it from something completly unrelated" is ridiculus. That's why I said trophies. Litteraly trophes. Not exclusivly first place trophy.

It would lol how would it be competitive then, nobody cares about what rank you are, its the rewards that motivate people. nobody cares about a poxy trophy u hang in ur home nobody ever visits. There has been rewards through other pvp already through achievements that is why it should stay like that and be expanded on just like how tanks had the upgraded version of their mounts etc. Aren't we agreeing on the same thing at the end of the day? I dont understand why you hate that top 100 has glam and mounts other than you feel the other modes should have more attention (reward based) that I agree with myself but adding trophies to top 100 instead of glam and mounts? what the? For what reason should this happen other than "pvp should be about rankings and should not have glam and mounts as rewards because pvp" I dont get your point at all, makes zero sense to me dude.

I'l just end it here by saying the same thing as all the other threads end up in their conclusion... Old top 100 feast rewards should be added to the top 100 shop as a choice so that if you really want that coat or hellhound u go and play the mode, get top 100 (its really easy man go try it, like i said before minimal pvp knowledge, u can spam to top 100 these days...) and just obtain it that way, its fair, its legit and you actually played the mode as intended. What is wrong with that?

[Stormfur]

I have always been against that for obvious Reasons. Why make the few valuable items that are in the game worthless? Especially Season 1+2, the only Seasons where Wintrading or boosting was are very rare thing (at least in soloqueue).

I also think that Yoshi P knows that a lot of the western people dont like the Feast in its current state and it would hurt this Game mode even more if they made its rewards available to everyone afterwards, even though noone takes Feast seriuosly anymore thanks to all the traders and boosters.

This brings us back to a similar issue as that which spawned the 100+ page White Raven Earrings fiasco regarding value of digital items. Since that topic has been beat to death over in General Discussion, I'm not going to delve into it here.

But I disagree that making them more available would make them worthless. I would suggest still making players PVP for them. Tie them to number of kills and/or assists like the other rewards. I still see very few people with the Hellpup/Faepup minions even though THOSE are more attainable now and were previously going to be rewarded for the top 10 only.

(Edit, I just checked because I was curious. Approximately 3.6% of players have the Hellhound minion and 10.4% have the Faehound minion)

Honestly, the mode is just about dead as-is, at least on Primal, and even the promise of free Fanfest tickets did little to spur on this e-sports idea. FFXIV is designed to be a PVE game with a PVP "coating" that doesn't really mesh well given how the game was built. It's too clunky and unresponsive for the kind of PVP that begets competition/tiers/ladders. Even though they simplified it, the core of the programming involved just isn't conducive to the rapid response time and control needed to really turn it into an e-sports game.

People still farm for ponies/birds/wolves and those battles are just about as old as the previous season rewards. If you tie an attainable reward to something, you'd be amazed at the people who would go back and do it.

Even the JP forums for PVP are rife with people wanting to attain the rewards for Top 100 but not having the time/queues are dead so they don't even attempt it. And that's to say nothing of the people who hack/wintrade/boost.

What do you think, is it a problem of the player's perception of time invested vs. reward or a problem of the devs for making something so desirable exploitable and almost unreachable by your everyday person? Or both?

I'm genuinely curious to hear your thoughts (all of you, not just Araxes)