White Raven earring given out at The Rising event 2018

[YukiKoneko]

Welp, I may as well chime in since I did put forth great effort to obtain those "White Ravens". I may not wear them all the time, but every time I've glamoured them, I looked back on effectively the culmination of my struggles and trials playing through ALL of 1.0. This final battle had significance, I can remember getting past Twintania for the first time, and seeing Darnus and Louisoix in the distance. What the heck was going on, I thought. I killed you [Darnus], TWICE! So while most of you new and old players toss your opinions out into the net, know that for some of us, that collection of pixels truly holds meaning; clearly more than you'd ever imagine. Fellow players, you should cheer the accomplishments of each other, not belittle them. Someone else mentioned this already, but back in 2010-2012, players DID work together much more, there was no "I can just solo the whole game" mentality. Our frustration is completely valid...

Complete this fight ‎Monday, ‎October ‎29, ‎2012, ‏‎~1:10 AM, a day before the Hurricane Sandy knocked out my power, days before the final save. What was your story

[solracht]

Definitely too late. If they were going to make changes, it needed to be done before any new players had acquired the earrings, because the game can’t see the difference. Any alterations to the item now would affect new and old players equally.

Not necessarily too late, but definitely not worth the effort:

Step 1: Modify all current earrings, for example rename them to "Replicas" (this will affect old and new players, as you said).
Step 2: Add a new set of earrings, call them "White Ravens" and make them available only to those characters whose lodestone has an entry for defeating Darnus (Hard) or completing "The Raven, Nevermore". See this post:[LINK]

They are most definitely not going to do anything of the sort for such a small subset of players (if the devs cared we wouldn't be in this situation to begin with), but they do have a way to do something. Not saying whether they should or not either, just that it's possible.

[Duskane]

bought two
stored one in armoire and just got another
test if the game let me and it did

[Lambdafish]

People see unsynced as "poorly-handled?"

It allows one to get through expired content faster. Don't see how that's a problem.

You don't see how scaling down content difficulty without scaling down content reward isn't poor design? I call it conveyor belt design, and it does nothing but harm player progression and accomplishment by invalidating them with every patch.

I can say without any doubt that the unsync system and everything that it has caused is the sole reason for the "I can and should get everything for free" mentality. Look at the Rathalos threads for example to see the amount of people saying "I'll just wait for it to unsync in a patch or two". That kind of mentality is extremely bad for the health of the game and the community, and the unsync system is entirely responsible.

They’re in the shop with the seasonal fireworks and Realm Reborn Red, so maybe not still? I don’t think any of those are on MogStation even if they’ve been around for longer.

All other seasonal event items are on the cash shop, I don't see a reason why SE wouldn't cash in on these items (unless they actually listen to the feedback from peoples complaints, which is doubtful considering the state of the game recently).

[Leigaon]

How long will you guys still be outraged by all these "items" you 'lose'. People asked for 1.0 stuff in recent QA's and they are giving it to them. Until you lose your best reward which is 33% less sub fee vs the majority, I don't see why the outrage.

Pretty much. I forgot all about it. To the ones who weren't around in 1.0 go have at it. Or those who didn't get a chance to grab it, enjoy the earring. Not like it does anything. Go get your earrings, wear them and slap on a few screen shots.

[Kurando]

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It's kinda derailing the topic, but unsync still shouldn't be an issue. Look at it this way everyone pays a sub and they wants to experience different parts of the game. Now let's say we have a few players that aren't great at raiding, but they like the cool fights, taking part, giving it a go etc, but they know they will never clear it synced because they just aren't cut out for the concentration and focus required, and they accept that. Should these players that then want to give it another go, (but unsync as there is less pressure) be locked out of trying the content in the future that they rightly pay to have access to? Some players can enjoy unsync stuff much more than sync, doesn't mean they aren't learning or accomplishing anything from it.

This is an online mmo, every single thing becomes dated with each passing day. We still have character customized that hasn't changed, graphics that come from a previous generation, and server limitations which... well cause a ton of issues on their own. One day the game will cease to exist, you will retain nothing except any memories made (and photos, videos etc), at which losing everything will be the biggest invalidation you could ever have. Let everyone enjoy the game while it's here.

[Lambdafish]

Should these players that then want to give it another go, (but unsync as there is less pressure) be locked out of trying the content in the future that they rightly pay to have access to?

You pay for access to the servers and a right to have content (rewards are not content) provided to you. You do not pay for the completion of said content, nor the rewards that are provided for completing said content. The current system of unsync is a luxury to those who don't participate in anything above casual content, it is not a right just because you pay your sub. Also, the game not existing in the future is an extremely bad argument for implementing poorly designed systems, you might as well be saying "The game won't exist one day so whats the point in even making it good?"

To counter your point, unsync actually makes experiencing old content even harder for new players, because nobody ever needs to run them synced ever again. If any new players want to experience coil, or any of the old extreme primals synced, they have an uphill battle to do so. If we are running with your point about paying a sub (and letting everyone enjoy the game), shouldn't they be entitled to have the system removed because it prevents them from experiencing the content in a form that actually has mechanics?

I'm not saying unsynced should be removed though, it has its benefits when it comes to progression and gating (steps of faith, praetorium etc.), but the rewards should most definitely be removed to give back incentive to running it synced. That way everyone gets to benefit, and we would see players wanting to run the content synced again, allowing newer players to have a wider range of content to participate in, while not locking more casual players from experiencing the content itself. I don't ever see this happening, but saying that unsynced is perfect as is is either naive or entitled.


And this is the exact same argument for the white raven earrings, it all comes down to the devs not respecting player accomplishment, and recklessly steamrolling through any hard work that anyone in the game has done. There are many simple ways this could have been avoided, the popular one being replica earrings. If they had done that then everyone would be happy, but just like with unsync, they didn't and the accomplishment is ignored.

[Kurando]

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So essentially your mentality is "I did this synced and got the rewards how it was supposed to be, but no one else should get anything unsync because they don't deserve it".

It's a right as a subscriber to eventually get access to whatever content they want just like everyone else can, whether you get rewarded for it or not. Unless you prefer to lock players out of content? If stuff is dated, then it's dated, having to do something sync suddenly isn't going to make it worth it. Who is going to do Coils synced these days? Not that many because the rewards just aren't exclusive enough to justify doing it. If you couldn't unsync or the reward wasn't worth it, you can bet certain content in this game would just die and barely be touched at all.

[Lambdafish]

It's a right as a subscriber to eventually get access to whatever content they want just like everyone else can, whether you get rewarded for it or not.

reward
/rɪˈwɔːd/
noun
1.
a thing given in recognition of service, effort, or achievement.
"the holiday was a reward for 40 years' service with the company"
synonyms: recompense, prize, prize money, winnings, purse, award, honour, decoration, profit, advantage, benefit, bonus, plus, premium; bounty, price; present, gift, tip, gratuity, inducement, carrot, payment, consideration, return, requital; informalpay-off, cut, perk; formalperquisite; archaicguerdon, meed
"the dog's owners have offered a reward for its safe return"


If you read my comment again, I actually said that people should have access to the content through unsync, just not the rewards. Your comment is very accurate, you are just confusing the reward with the content itself, they are not one in the same, and should not be treated the same. Also, my mentality has nothing to do with my own personal experience, don't go on the defensive and point the finger at me, just because I hold a different opinion. I just want the game to be as healthy as it can possibly be, and I just don't see that with many of the design decisions that have happened.

[Mahrze]

If you read my comment again, I actually said that people should have access to the content through unsync, just not the rewards. Your comment is very accurate, you are just confusing the reward with the content itself, they are not one in the same, and should not be treated the same.

Can't have one without the other, mate. Thus, be it a slip of wording or interpretation. Content and Reward go hand in hand, as pedantic as you want to be.