White Raven earring given out at The Rising event 2018

[Ruru_Nayu]

"Oh no others can have earrings trough an event i had before them but never wore thoose earrings, how dare of you SE."
Just get over it, it's just earrings noone cares.

[Dzian]

Throwing a tantrum over silly earrings. There goes the myth that legacy players support this game.

"Oh no others can have earrings trough an event i had before them but never wore thoose earrings, how dare of you SE."
Just get over it, it's just earrings noone cares.

As has been said many times what the item is makes no difference the issue lies in what that item represents and signifies.

i said earlier in the thread it's exactly the same as olympic medals... if they just gave everyone a gold medal then it loses all meaning and significance. also destroys motivation. i mean hell if your gonna get gold no matter where you finish why bother trying?

Or hell even milatary medals. my great grandad has medals and crosses for things he did in the military that are impossible to obtain today. "The Burma Star" for one example" noone in todays military can get that medal nor is anyone in todays military entitled to it.. and if they started handed them out to every rookie who simply passes basic training it would be considered a major insult to all those who were actually there and fought at the time.

the white ravens is exactly the same principal.

[Emstidor]

i said earlier in the thread it's exactly the same as olympic medals... if they just gave everyone a gold medal then it loses all meaning and significance. also destroys motivation. i mean hell if your gonna get gold no matter where you finish why bother trying?

Or hell even milatary medals. my great grandad has medals and crosses for things he did in the military that are impossible to obtain today. "The Burma Star" for one example".

Thank you for the hearty laugh and disbelieving headshake that I got from your post.

[Spiriel_Basanda]

SE actually did release a compilation disc of 1.0 cutscenes with the Collector's Edition of ARR, called The Waning of the Sixth Sun. This disc only includes the 7th Umbral Era event cutscenes though, it does not include cutscenes for the original 1.0 starting city storylines and the truncated Path of the Twelve story. This is because those storylines were being cannibalized for ideas and concepts for ARR's storyline, and SE probably did not want to 'spoil' that.

Thus, this shows that really only the 7th Umbral Era story is still fully 'canon' to ARR - the original starting city story and the Path of the Twelve were effectively abandoned and retconned (quite a few ideas and 1.0 story concepts still remain canon in ARR, such as F'lhaminn and her connection to Thancred, and Minfilia's deceased father Warburton), but the majority of 1.0's original story has been quietly ignored or outright decanonized, SE seeming to adopt a "it's only still canon if we say so" stance unfortunately in regards to 1.0's story).

Huh, I didn't even realize that they decided 1.0 wasn't canon anymore due to the fact that so much of what I actually have managed to see does transition from 1.0 to 2.0 in such a way that makes sense, as well as even referring to the Path of the Twelve in 2.1. Not that knowing that would've stopped me from looking back to what was back there. Inquiring minds have just got to know, as it were. Things like learning that Mimidoa's troubles with Sirens, in one form or another, are never truly over was worth it. That and learning how Hildibrande actually went to Dalamud in order to fall back down to Eorzea in the first place was good. Typical Hildibrande. Also that 1.0 Gaius sounds a little bit like Darth Vader. That was funny to.

Didn't know they actually made a DVD as well, clearly. I never bother with collector's editions so I didn't look to see what came with it. I suppose I didn't make it extremely clear in the first post, apologies, but what I really want to see is specifically what isn't in the cutscenes but still pushes the storyline forward. The text that npcs say when you talk to them. The cutscenes are adequate, they get the general point and flow across, but it's like listening to one person on a three way conversation or so. I can dream at least, I'm not going to get a copy of the script anywhere, hah!

Either way, sadly the Path of the Twelve storyline ultimately ended up being quietly dropped at that point and was never completed, with the 7th Umbral Era story taking over (when Primal fights were added, besides Ifrit and Garuda a more 'cute' summon was decided to be added instead of Titan and Leviathan in the form of Good King Moggle Mog.

I admit it may be confusing to a new player, but really, the way ARR is written, ARR's main scenario really does not require knowledge of these prior events to enjoy or understand, as ARR really just retread the same ideas and concepts 1.0 had already dealt with, but in a different manner. So don't feel you've really missed out on that much only joining the game in ARR.

That's kind of a shame to, just axing the story like that. I understand why they did it of coure, it seemed like it was interesting. At least, the parts of the Path of the Twelve storyline I did manage to see was.

Yeah, the MSQ in ARR absolutely makes sense without prior knowledge, but I feel like the way it was crafted combined with the circumstances in which ARR came to be makes people that seriously, truly care about the lore of the game wonder about what happened before the Calamity more then if ARR was just the 1.0 instead of the 2.0. Enough to go browse the internet? Eh, probably not, but surely everyone at least wondered about it, right? The first 15 levels or so continually hammers what the Calamity was and what happened due to it into your head, and it keeps popping up at intervals past that. World altering events are a pretty big deal, I'll admit, but that combined with knowing that there actually was a world before the Calamity just made me curious.

Thanks for confirming I couldn't find anything because nothing exists to be found though. I had just assumed that surely they put something there that segued into it at least somewhat logically. Guess not! heh

[Duskane]

As has been said many times what the item is makes no difference the issue lies in what that item represents and signifies.

i said earlier in the thread it's exactly the same as olympic medals... if they just gave everyone a gold medal then it loses all meaning and significance. also destroys motivation. i mean hell if your gonna get gold no matter where you finish why bother trying?

Or hell even milatary medals. my great grandad has medals and crosses for things he did in the military that are impossible to obtain today. "The Burma Star" for one example" noone in todays military can get that medal nor is anyone in todays military entitled to it.. and if they started handed them out to every rookie who simply passes basic training it would be considered a major insult to all those who were actually there and fought at the time.

the white ravens is exactly the same principal.

yeah the difference is
these are not Olympic medals that take almost all your life of training to get
these are not War medals for that you risk your life to help your country (you don't join the army to earn medals)
these are digital earrings that do not take away your achievement or memories of clearing the trial.
everyone having a chance to get these earrings doesn't take away the fact that you can look at your pair of earrings and go "i did the original fight " then doze off into memory lane.

[Darrcyphfeid]

yeah the difference is

No kiddin'? It's almost as if he used real life examples to illustrate a point to people that are arguing in bad faith and being unreasonably condescending that someone might actually find value in their time investment being rewarded.

It's not now, and never will be, about a singular item. It's entirely about the concept of devaluing, and that has every bit as much to do with the future of this game as it does the past. If they "take away" the prestige of Ultimate in Shadowbringers by allowing you to undersize it, they are in fact disrespecting the time and energy - and money, in some cases, as people actually used vacation days to pursue world first - spent by anyone that ever touched it. But they're also making it clear that any time you spend in Ultimates come 5.0 will similarly be devalued, and that is very much a legitimate consideration when asking yourself if you want to dedicate a large number of hours now versus getting it ostensibly for nothing later.

[Emstidor]

No kiddin'? It's almost as if he used real life examples to illustrate a point to people

It's blindingly obvious what he was doing, but when your real-life example is so radically different to the point of being incomperable to the situation at hand, it's not "bad faith" to point that out.

And one for the road: No one in this thread wishes to deny latecomers and casuals from (most) rewards. Specifically in the case of the White Ravens you know exactly why people are upset: Something they had to work for was just, quite literally, handed out to anyone lv30 or higher that can get into The Rising 2018 instance. It's not their fault the battle doesn't exist anymore.

Barring bringing back the original fight or designing a new one of similar difficulty (which I think we agree is a disproportionate amount of effort involved for a legacy item and obviously won’t happen), adding the item to a five year commemoration of the events of 1.0 is about a respectful way to bring the item back as any. Since by your own words you aren’t arguing to keep the items away for exclusivity alone, how WOULD you suggest they bring it back, given the limitations above?

[Darrcyphfeid]

Barring bringing back the original fight or designing a new one of similar difficulty (which I think we agree is a disproportionate amount of effort involved for a legacy item and obviously won’t happen), adding the item to a five year commemoration of the events of 1.0 is about a respectful way to bring the item back as any. Since by your own words you aren’t arguing to keep the items away for exclusivity alone, how WOULD you suggest they bring it back, given the limitations above?

If you want to tie my hands and not allow me to say the obvious "how about we make new items," the only compromise worth discussing is the implementation of the oft recommended Replica White Ravens or black-variant The Ravens. It's not ideal to just take those models and use them for something else - see also the issue with the Zodiac Brave Relics - but short of creating an appropriately difficult reimagining of Rivenroad HM or putting them in as a reward for something like minimum ilvl Turn 9 Savage it's the best option available.

The biggest issue with replicas, aside from still being on the wrong end of that devaluation line, is that there's the very real problem that some people are getting less out of this event than others just by virtue of already having those item models.

[Theodric]

Well, this thread took a pretty creepy turn.

Thankfully we can safely ignore any commentary that implies that raiding is the only accomplishment that matters. It isn't. Way to miss the point of my earlier comments, though - ironically you're just reinforcing the fact that I said some people don't care about the items themselves and only want to brag and belittle others.

I slaved away to acquire the Yo-Kai and Garo mounts, under the impression that they would be only available for a sort time. A lot of blood, sweat and tears were involved. I acquired everything from both events. Then it later turned out that the Garo event was to be permanent and the Yo-Kai event was added for a second time. That didn't bother me at all. I still have the sense of accomplishment from acquiring them when they were first available and I get to see other people enjoy them.

Which is, I suppose, the big difference. I want to see other people enjoy the same things I do. I encourage it. It doesn't devalue my accomplishments at all.

[Darrcyphfeid]

Well, this thread took a pretty creepy turn.

It's a public forum, lad. Your deflections are the case against you in and of itself. Who you are and what you do(n't do) matter.

Thankfully we can safely ignore any commentary that implies that raiding is the only accomplishment that matters. It isn't. Way to miss the point of my earlier comments, though - ironically you're just reinforcing the fact that I said some people don't care about the items themselves and only want to brag and belittle others.

Feel free to check me in return; I've cleared Coil and A4S. Nothing else. Will never set foot in Ultimate.

My point was to illustrate your hypocrisy. It's okay for you to post about things you have absolutely no stake in, but it's not okay for 2.0+ players to share the opinion opposite your own because they haven't played 1.0?

Here's a non-raiding example for you: Anyone that did the grind for Fenrir, Adamantoise, Cloud Strife Card, et al had their efforts devalued by Fashion Report. People now only have to speak to Redolent Rose 13 times to grab a free Fenrir. People that ground out MGP for Fenrir, are now significantly less inclined to grind out future MGP goodies. Not that they need to anyway unless a future item costs multiple millions of MGP.

I slaved away to acquire the Yo-Kai and Garo mounts, under the impression that they would be only available for a sort time. A lot of blood, sweat and tears were involved. I acquired everything from both events. Then it later turned out that the Garo event was to be permanent and the Yo-Kai event was added for a second time. That didn't bother me at all. I still have the sense of accomplishment from acquiring them when they were first available and I get to see other people enjoy them.

False equivalence. Yokai and Garo weren't nerfed, the grind was the same. Your items were not given away for no effort.

Which is, I suppose, the big difference. I want to see other people enjoy the same things I do. I encourage it. It doesn't devalue my accomplishments at all.

And one for the road: No one in this thread wishes to deny latecomers and casuals from (most) rewards. Specifically in the case of the White Ravens you know exactly why people are upset: Something they had to work for was just, quite literally, handed out to anyone lv30 or higher that can get into The Rising 2018 instance. It's not their fault the battle doesn't exist anymore.