White Raven earring given out at The Rising event 2018

[Kurando]

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It's kinda derailing the topic, but unsync still shouldn't be an issue. Look at it this way everyone pays a sub and they wants to experience different parts of the game. Now let's say we have a few players that aren't great at raiding, but they like the cool fights, taking part, giving it a go etc, but they know they will never clear it synced because they just aren't cut out for the concentration and focus required, and they accept that. Should these players that then want to give it another go, (but unsync as there is less pressure) be locked out of trying the content in the future that they rightly pay to have access to? Some players can enjoy unsync stuff much more than sync, doesn't mean they aren't learning or accomplishing anything from it.

This is an online mmo, every single thing becomes dated with each passing day. We still have character customized that hasn't changed, graphics that come from a previous generation, and server limitations which... well cause a ton of issues on their own. One day the game will cease to exist, you will retain nothing except any memories made (and photos, videos etc), at which losing everything will be the biggest invalidation you could ever have. Let everyone enjoy the game while it's here.

[Lambdafish]

Should these players that then want to give it another go, (but unsync as there is less pressure) be locked out of trying the content in the future that they rightly pay to have access to?

You pay for access to the servers and a right to have content (rewards are not content) provided to you. You do not pay for the completion of said content, nor the rewards that are provided for completing said content. The current system of unsync is a luxury to those who don't participate in anything above casual content, it is not a right just because you pay your sub. Also, the game not existing in the future is an extremely bad argument for implementing poorly designed systems, you might as well be saying "The game won't exist one day so whats the point in even making it good?"

To counter your point, unsync actually makes experiencing old content even harder for new players, because nobody ever needs to run them synced ever again. If any new players want to experience coil, or any of the old extreme primals synced, they have an uphill battle to do so. If we are running with your point about paying a sub (and letting everyone enjoy the game), shouldn't they be entitled to have the system removed because it prevents them from experiencing the content in a form that actually has mechanics?

I'm not saying unsynced should be removed though, it has its benefits when it comes to progression and gating (steps of faith, praetorium etc.), but the rewards should most definitely be removed to give back incentive to running it synced. That way everyone gets to benefit, and we would see players wanting to run the content synced again, allowing newer players to have a wider range of content to participate in, while not locking more casual players from experiencing the content itself. I don't ever see this happening, but saying that unsynced is perfect as is is either naive or entitled.


And this is the exact same argument for the white raven earrings, it all comes down to the devs not respecting player accomplishment, and recklessly steamrolling through any hard work that anyone in the game has done. There are many simple ways this could have been avoided, the popular one being replica earrings. If they had done that then everyone would be happy, but just like with unsync, they didn't and the accomplishment is ignored.

[Kurando]

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So essentially your mentality is "I did this synced and got the rewards how it was supposed to be, but no one else should get anything unsync because they don't deserve it".

It's a right as a subscriber to eventually get access to whatever content they want just like everyone else can, whether you get rewarded for it or not. Unless you prefer to lock players out of content? If stuff is dated, then it's dated, having to do something sync suddenly isn't going to make it worth it. Who is going to do Coils synced these days? Not that many because the rewards just aren't exclusive enough to justify doing it. If you couldn't unsync or the reward wasn't worth it, you can bet certain content in this game would just die and barely be touched at all.

[Lambdafish]

It's a right as a subscriber to eventually get access to whatever content they want just like everyone else can, whether you get rewarded for it or not.

reward
/rɪˈwɔːd/
noun
1.
a thing given in recognition of service, effort, or achievement.
"the holiday was a reward for 40 years' service with the company"
synonyms: recompense, prize, prize money, winnings, purse, award, honour, decoration, profit, advantage, benefit, bonus, plus, premium; bounty, price; present, gift, tip, gratuity, inducement, carrot, payment, consideration, return, requital; informalpay-off, cut, perk; formalperquisite; archaicguerdon, meed
"the dog's owners have offered a reward for its safe return"


If you read my comment again, I actually said that people should have access to the content through unsync, just not the rewards. Your comment is very accurate, you are just confusing the reward with the content itself, they are not one in the same, and should not be treated the same. Also, my mentality has nothing to do with my own personal experience, don't go on the defensive and point the finger at me, just because I hold a different opinion. I just want the game to be as healthy as it can possibly be, and I just don't see that with many of the design decisions that have happened.

[Mahrze]

If you read my comment again, I actually said that people should have access to the content through unsync, just not the rewards. Your comment is very accurate, you are just confusing the reward with the content itself, they are not one in the same, and should not be treated the same.

Can't have one without the other, mate. Thus, be it a slip of wording or interpretation. Content and Reward go hand in hand, as pedantic as you want to be.