White Raven earring given out at The Rising event 2018

[Zojha]

I mean, the Lodestone already puts dates on your achievements. They just aren’t documented to the minute.

Heh, goes to show how much "I" care about this sort of thing. I didn't even know it was already a thing.

For the most part, I'll just consider my point proven then. For the most part, because I'm not sure if the Rivenroad in particular had an achievement tied to it that would allow differentiation. But even then, people aren't clamoring to get one, but rather want a change to the item, so I'm not sure if that actually changes much.

[Istaru]

Istaru, at the end of the day your experience is what matters, no one can take that away from you, the lack of artificial scarcity shouldn't retroactively diminish your experience.

You’re correct, giving away the earring does not remove my memories. I don’t think I said that, if I did, then I misspoke and i apologize.



Before anyone exclaims about it being Stormblood, I agree, it is Stormblood.

Seasonal event items, achievement reward items and seventh umbra era items were added during ARR. One of them, the moonlet, actually went straight to the cash shop.

When SE said all those things, like everyone else, I believed them. Why wouldn’t I? That is my point, I’m disappointed that I trusted them and it seems more and more that it was misplaced.

Again, for me, it’s not so much about the earrings. It’s more about trust and faith in a company and a team to do what it says and says what it does.

Again things change, I agree. I feel it would go a long way if they acknowledged that they stated those things and they are undoing them. Respect people enough to tell them what you are changing and why.

For these things, why did SE feel it necessary to completely walk back those statements rather than make similar items like the Sylph Goobbue? For the earrings, why couldn’t they make them darker in color and call them Black Ravens? Doing that, people get something very similar and they maintained what they said they would do.

While it doesn't diminish the accomplishments of the past, it casts a shadow over the present and future.

[Kurando]

Yet the ToS User Agreement states that any and all in-game items (amongst other things) are the property of SE and not the players themselves, therefore as a company they can release items again and again however they see fit, whether demand requires it or there is some kind of value in doing so. It also states the User Agreement supercedes any other agreements in the event of a conflict (in case of the image provided by Istaru)

Players have their memories what what they did, and considering all the other benefits of being a part of Legacy, should be lucky not everything was immediately made available to everyone instead.

[Stormfur]

It’s about putting your faith in a company and a team and having that faith rewarded. That is what legacy is really all about. Every time they undo part of the tangible items, such as the earrings or other things, they are undoing that faith. They are saying “You were wrong to put faith in us, we aren’t any better.”

I completely understand your point of view. I didn't know that these earrings even existed until this thread started -- it's not like 2.0 players have been clamoring for them for years and SE finally caved.

While we, the players, can put faith in a company to do the right thing -- that opens up a whole can of worms and creates even more questions -- what IS the right thing?

The right thing according to some 1.0 players is to leave these earrings alone and exclusive forever to show their support in a difficult and uncertain time.

The right thing according to other 1.0 players is to make the earrings available but make them "replicas".

The right thing according to some 2.0 players is to forget about it, since they're just earrings.

The right thing according to other 2.0 players is to make everything available to everyone and stop whining about what happened 5 years ago.

The problem is...no matter what the company decides to do, some group is going to "lose faith". And interestingly enough, another group might gain that faith.

Remember the Bunny Suit fiasco? You had people saying "I don't want to see a scantily clad Roe dude in fishnet stockings." And when SE made them available to everyone, maybe the people who were upset about that "lost faith" in SE not to cave into user demands. But at the same time, the group who so strongly advocated for them gained faith that SE was more open-minded and willing to make adjustment to fit their glamour wishes.

It seems that no matter what they try, some group is going to be unhappy. They really can't win.

[Fawkes]

The right thing according to some 2.0 players is to forget about it, since they're just earrings.

The right thing according to other 2.0 players is to make everything available to everyone and stop whining about what happened 5 years ago.

The problem is...no matter what the company decides to do, some group is going to "lose faith". And interestingly enough, another group might gain that faith. .

I don't get why they're so invested though. I never saw anyone clamoring for these earrings, why would they care if SE came out and said "oops, nevermind we're not giving those out"?

[Istaru]

I completely understand your point of view. I didn't know that these earrings even existed until this thread started -- it's not like 2.0 players have been clamoring for them for years and SE finally caved.

While we, the players, can put faith in a company to do the right thing -- that opens up a whole can of worms and creates even more questions -- what IS the right thing?

It seems that no matter what they try, some group is going to be unhappy. They really can't win.

Yes, someone will be unhappy. I agree with you.

I really hope that most people think that honoring your promises, obligations and such might be a good place to start. If you can’t do that, at least try to work things out before blowing it up and ignoring those obligations.

Remember the Bunny Suit fiasco? You had people saying "I don't want to see a scantily clad Roe dude in fishnet stockings." And when SE made them available to everyone, maybe the people who were upset about that "lost faith" in SE not to cave into user demands. But at the same time, the group who so strongly advocated for them gained faith that SE was more open-minded and willing to make adjustment to fit their glamour wishes.

How can anyone forget? lol

In that case I believe they said nothing for a moment and then said yes later. I feel, at that point, they had to make it as long as it was physically possible to do so. Say what you do and do what you say.

Their faith was justified, while it took a long time, the team did deliver on that obligation.

[Stormfur]

I'd like to know if there would be something from 1.0 that wouldn't anger or upset those players who got it back then. Something that isn't already in the game's files (like the Onion helmets...that's the only example I can think of).

[Coombah]

2 cents”

I absolutely agree and thank you for sharing your thoughts.

[Istaru]

I'd like to know if there would be something from 1.0 that wouldn't anger or upset those players who got it back then. Something that isn't already in the game's files (like the Onion helmets...that's the only example I can think of).

Actually, the onion stuff may be ok.

Not part of any date or action exclusive things.
It’s not dated or weathered gear.
It’s not seasonal gear
It wasn’t from an achievement
It wasn’t specific to the seventh umbral questline.

I don’t think they made any statements of it being unobtainable, I’d say two thumbs up on onion gear. Good example!

[Aurou]

The Onion Gear, at least parts of it, can be obtained via Retainer Ventures. Has been that way since... HW, I think? I have the Doublet and definately had it pre-SB, and wasn't a 1.0 Player because the game wouldn't run on my system. Wish I could have played 1.0, flaws and all, but I just couldn't at that time due to not having the system and the PS3 version never launching, which I was waiting for.

Edit: Seems you can obtain: Onion Doublet, Onion Gaskins, Onion Pattens, Red Onion Helm, from quick ventures level 1-50. This is according to: Gamer Escape