White Raven earring given out at The Rising event 2018

[alimdia]

Istaru, at the end of the day your experience is what matters, no one can take that away from you, the lack of artificial scarcity shouldn't retroactively diminish your experience.

[Istaru]

Istaru, at the end of the day your experience is what matters, no one can take that away from you, the lack of artificial scarcity shouldn't retroactively diminish your experience.

You’re correct, giving away the earring does not remove my memories. I don’t think I said that, if I did, then I misspoke and i apologize.



Before anyone exclaims about it being Stormblood, I agree, it is Stormblood.

Seasonal event items, achievement reward items and seventh umbra era items were added during ARR. One of them, the moonlet, actually went straight to the cash shop.

When SE said all those things, like everyone else, I believed them. Why wouldn’t I? That is my point, I’m disappointed that I trusted them and it seems more and more that it was misplaced.

Again, for me, it’s not so much about the earrings. It’s more about trust and faith in a company and a team to do what it says and says what it does.

Again things change, I agree. I feel it would go a long way if they acknowledged that they stated those things and they are undoing them. Respect people enough to tell them what you are changing and why.

For these things, why did SE feel it necessary to completely walk back those statements rather than make similar items like the Sylph Goobbue? For the earrings, why couldn’t they make them darker in color and call them Black Ravens? Doing that, people get something very similar and they maintained what they said they would do.

While it doesn't diminish the accomplishments of the past, it casts a shadow over the present and future.

[Melichoir]

When SE said all those things, like everyone else, I believed them. Why wouldn’t I? That is my point, I’m disappointed that I trusted them and it seems more and more that it was misplaced.

Again, for me, it’s not so much about the earrings. It’s more about trust and faith in a company and a team to do what it says and says what it does.

Youre hinging your trust in the company about a piece of glamour from an iteration of the game that is no longer accessible due to it being TERRIBLE (the game was literally remade) from 5 years ago.

This seems a touch absurd.

"I cant trust SE anymore cause theyre giving away an item I earned from 5 years ago in a version of the game no longer possible for the specific reason that the game was bad and was remade. How can I ever trust them again!"

I dont mean to be patronizing or simplistic, but thats the best way I can surmise your feelings on the issue. You say its not about the earrings, but on some ambiguous notion of trust. You behave like SE has to, above all else, honor every single agreement ever made and never change their positions, particularly in regards to content 5 years ago that nobody can even play because it is literally discontinued and taken out of the game.

As I said, its a touch absurd, and frankly, not within even pragmatic reason. This isnt like them saying "Nah, were gonna give out Ultimate Bahamut weapons for this upcoming event for free!". It's them taking an old asset from a 5 year old part of the game that is no longer even playable in the harshest sense (not a discontinued event, or a yearly thing, but literally from a version of the game that is no longer available anywhere on grounds of remaking the game from the foundation up) and giving it away as an event item so more people can have the item for glamour. If this qualifies as a violation of your trust, then you have ridiculously high standards.

[Istaru]

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I am going to have to ask that you go back and reread my statements and possibly the couple of other posts I made. I think you missed the point, especially if you didn’t read all of them. I already said what significance the earrings specifically have. Spoiler: on their own? Not that much.

If you still feel the same way and wish to continue attacking me, feel free, I cannot have a discussion with someone who is unwilling or unable to listen and consider things objectively.

[Melichoir]

I am going to have to ask that you go back and reread my statements and possibly the couple of other posts I made. I think you missed the point, especially if you didn’t read all of them. I already said what significance the earrings specifically have. Spoiler: on their own? Not that much.

If you still feel the same way and wish to continue attacking me, feel free, I cannot have a discussion with someone who is unwilling or unable to listen and consider things objectively.

Am I wrong to surmise the issue isnt the earring but your 'trust in SE' that if they promise something that it stays that way?

That trust hinges on whether or not they give away an item earned in 1.0. An item they said, at the time, was exclusive. That this violates that trust an item you have as promised to be exclusive is no longer going to be. A violation of principles.

If so, then Ive addressed that. Your standards of trust is absurdly high considering the situation. It matters little whether its earrings, or gloves, or any other piece of glamour. The principle your making is "I now trust them less because something they said 5 years ago from removed content that was objectively terrible is being broken." Youre placing to much emphasis on promises long honored from aspects of the game that are objectively removed. It can be argued, easily enough, that 1.0 is a different game all together. If this is your standard for 'trust in SE', then I think youre a touch to high on it.

If not, then please clarify once more, either with your own words, or directing me to your earlier posts. Asking me to dig through 70 pages of replies to find all your posts on the matter is a touch mindless.

[Istaru]

Am I wrong to surmise the issue isnt the earring but your 'trust in SE' that if they promise something that it stays that way?

That trust hinges on whether or not they give away an item earned in 1.0. An item they said, at the time, was exclusive. That this violates that trust an item you have as promised to be exclusive is no longer going to be.

If so, then Ive addressed that. Your level of trust is absurdly high considering the situation. If not, then please clarify once more, either with your own words, or directing me to your earlier posts. Asking me to dig through 70 pages of replies to find all your posts on the matter is a touch mindless.

One thing here, one there, not a big deal, they’ve done it with many.

As I said, I believe in say what you do, and do what you say. I try my best to live my life that way and I expect others to do the same. I also stated, more than once, things change. I was taught and believe that, if they do, say so. Tell the other person or party or parties what has to change and it’s best to say why. They may not like it, but at least be upfront.

It appears that you do not hold those beliefs. That’s ok. I’m not going to reciprocate and tell you that your standards or ridiculously low or any such thing.

I will simply suggest we agree that we disagree and wish each other a good day.

Have a good day!!

[Melichoir]

There are plenty of real reasons to lose trust in the company. Your reasoning behind it, however, just appears flawed due to standards that dont make pragmatic sense. If you want to take a literal position of "Everything said must be honored to the T", youre going to have a lot more disappointment in SE, or any business for that matter.

There is a difference between being upset of a 'promise broken' from 5 years ago about things no longer viable from a different game (almost) that has little to no impact on anything, and being upset from promises made a year or two ago that still have direct on the game.

My blunt honest opinion: Your position seems unreasonable. Unfortunate.

[Tsalmaveth]

If you still feel the same way and wish to continue attacking me.... *snip*

I think this is why people are just going around in circles so much. People are not willing to debate or have differences of opinions without seeing it or making it personal. Was the above person actually attacking you, or where they debating your position/debating your statements? This is to everyone. People are not going to agree. A lot take this personally and perhaps need to step back now that they have made their points.

[Alleo]

Istaru, at the end of the day your experience is what matters, no one can take that away from you, the lack of artificial scarcity shouldn't retroactively diminish your experience.

I think a big problem is simply that SE likes to state one thing and suddenly change it months/years later if it does not fit their view anymore. Yes things can change in development but there is a point where one really has to ask "why should I even trust any word that comes from you anymore?". And the worst is that I just cant see why it was necessary to break the words on that special case. These are earrings, that most players will probably throw into the chest and never really wear, so why was it even necessary to bring them over? If they remember their promise, why not just simply create a new exclusive item for this event? I dont own them but I still feel that this is cheap, simply because its bad for some 1.0 players and because I just see it as a cheap way for a event reward. (But should not be surprised to see another reused item.)

If you dont know if you can keep a promise than simply state it that another way. And if you get the feeling that you might need to break one then try to find a way which will make it less bad. (Which for example is giving it the replica name)

[Nixxe]

I think a big problem is simply that SE likes to state one thing and suddenly change it months/years later if it does not fit their view anymore. Yes things can change in development but there is a point where one really has to ask "why should I even trust any word that comes from you anymore?".

You should trust that it is their current intent, but realize that it's subject to change later down the line, and make decisions accordingly. Loyalty and appreciation are ideas to be sold to customers because it fosters something akin to the genuine feeling in them. They are something to be cast aside if there is a chance of greater profit elsewhere. This is how business works. You are just a source of income and your dollars are not worth any more than anyone else's dollars unless they are available in a greater amount.

Businesses are not your friends. You are not a friend to businesses. Capitalistic exchange is about mutual parasitism. You try to suck them dry while defending yourself from their attempts to do the same to you. You are only "allies" so long as your self-interest happens to align and not a moment longer.