White Raven earring given out at The Rising event 2018

[Wyvernheart]

A special auction house like ffix would get my attention.

[Yoruichi4478]

It's not irrelevant. The Terms of Conditions state clearly that the game can and will change at the whim of the developers. Clearing a specific fight five years ago really isn't some sort of amazing feat. Quite a few 1.0 players have popped up in this very thread to state that they don't mind the items being added. So it's not as if there's a specific consensus on the matter.

The entire thing is being blown out of proportion. It was a minor feat in a game that had to be shut down and relaunched. Nowadays, the current game is what is most important - and it's time for older players to pass the torch to the next generation.

Minor feat my foot. It was the hardest fight in that game at that time, consider it that version's Ultimate fight, taking into account the battle arena was multi-story, you had to use a crafted item to survive his first attack, farm the mats to make it first and gods forbid, read the battle log to see what move was coming next, because no telegraphs to show area of effect on attacks, no dodging boundaries lit up like what we have with ARR and beyond. I love how ppl who never experienced 1.0, it's battle system (and as that evolved), the server latency (all the servers were in Japan at the time) and the different play styles due to how the jobs were designed decree that anything back then wasn't hard. Oh and back then, you had more than one skill chain combo to choose from depending on the circumstances. Oh pass the torch? Go stuff yourself with your self importance, we are still playing. Are you telling us now that we shouldn't be? Ok that is just cheeky as all hell. What we have to say on any side of the argument, no matter what it is, doesn't carry any weight, because we're older players? Best learn some manners little boy.

[JunseiKei]

Still loving how people keeping saying it doesn't matter for various unimportant reasons when the following question is all that matters.

Why do people who have not done the content, receive the reward from that content???

SE redacted some information about 1.0 story-wise and otherwise made the fight unavailable in ARR onward. You are literally unable to do the content to get them otherwise, which is just a subverted way of saying 'these items should stay locked to legacy players only despite the many issues that plagued the game that made it completely unplayable for people that would have wanted to.'

Please offer a real argument, thanks

Let me ask you something else:
Are you upset Hildibrand and Good King Moggle Mog are content that is replicated in ARR? Why or why not? Shouldn't they also have this same exclusivity standard? Are you only placing items on a pedestal? What if SE added Riven Road and added Nael as an echo fight and gave the earrings that way? Would you be just as upset?

[Yoruichi4478]

That's a poor argument and you know it. It doesn't matter if someone did or didn't like 1.0 at the time, some people couldn't afford to pay the subscription fee for 1.0, some didn't know XIV existed. It could be a plethora of reasons. Stop making baseless assumptions to back up a selfish "screw you, got mine" mentality that doesn't need to exist with a pair of virtual earrings. This is all incredibly petty.

It was free for a whole year. Those who left either couldn't afford it, or didn't want to pay for the game in that stage of repair and were just playing because it was free. I remember players then saying one or the other.

[Sigma-Astra]

It was free for a whole year. Those who left either couldn't afford it, or didn't want to pay for the game in that stage of repair and were just playing because it was free. I remember players then saying one or the other.

Either way, it's an item from five years ago. It's a very petty thing to hold a grudge over and I'm shocked at people in this community who are clinging to a pair of earrings that you can barely see on your ears unless you're always zoomed in up close. Most people aren't always playing this game with their cameras zoomed all of the way in. Earrings are awful on Miqo'te.

That's also not to mention, that most people barely notice the accessories you're wearing to begin with and only check for the ilvl's or stats to make sure that you're not a lvl 40 healer with lvl 1 earrings of strength because they wanted to be a "battle cleric" inside of a dungeon.

[Zsolen]

Yoruichi, why is it important to you that others don't have a chance to get the earrings?

Maybe it is a difference in personalities, but I can't wrap my mind around why someone would not want someone else to have what is today a glamour item. I understand that it was not a glamour item then. Today it is. I understand there is as story behind it, but I'm still not seeing why it is important to keep it out of the hands of others. I'm not asking about SE's policy. How does this affect you?

[Tiraelina]

It's not irrelevant. The Terms of Conditions state clearly that the game can and will change at the whim of the developers. Clearing a specific fight five years ago really isn't some sort of amazing feat. Quite a few 1.0 players have popped up in this very thread to state that they don't mind the items being added. So it's not as if there's a specific consensus on the matter.

The entire thing is being blown out of proportion. It was a minor feat in a game that had to be shut down and relaunched. Nowadays, the current game is what is most important - and it's time for older players to pass the torch to the next generation.

Yes, and its especially irrelevant to your excuse using the ToS. Does that somehow invalidate everyone else now because a handful spoke up? You're going to call it the torch, after calling it a minor feat? Really now? You're dancing between it being nothing and significant at the same time. It either means something or it doesn't, you can't have both. It's amazing how valiant someone can act over getting someones digital memento from a time they chose not to participate in or didn't even know about. Games get shut down after being written off as a failure and relaunch all the time, right? No, they generally stay dead.

I don't care if they are unobtainable. They are literally code in a virtual world and have no value in the real world. This is a fact. You're comparing a real life status symbol to something that is fiction. Real world things are given vanity value because of monetary representation (which people can and do disagree on). However, again, this is line of code that can be replicated endlessly.

Let us not forget 1.0 had a pretty steep demand on a PC to be able to play it and is one of many elephants in this room of a topic. Also, seeing Bayohne's statement, they said the White Ravens would not be obtained in A Realm Reborn. That's cool - they kept their word as it's now Stormblood (inb4 nit-picking argument; didn't say 'Final Fantasy XIV' but a specific expansion of said game). To put it in another scenario, they could re-release the same item with a different name. They'd still be keeping their word, as well.

However, again, I feed back into my statement:
The earrings have no actual value. The value comes from what you feel is there due to sentimental value. People want 'badges' and 'notches on their belt' to show off.

Let me ask you something else:
Are you upset Hildibrand and Good King Moggle Mog are content that is replicated in ARR? Why or why not? Shouldn't they also have this same exclusivity standard? Are you only placing items on a pedestal? What if SE added Riven Road and added Nael as an echo fight and gave the earrings that way? Would you be just as upset?

Yes, they are just code, again, trying to diminish the value of something to somehow make it more acceptable. Why is a piece of iron more more valueable than a piece of code, both made as a memento and reminder? You bring up monetary value, you think XIV accounts don't have that or something? (Don't bother with but the ToS!) They also want those rings back when you die or retire, just so you know.

Those requirements are not nearly as overblown as you are trying to make them either. Seeing how multiple people were complaining it didn't run well trying to run it with everything on high, which renders the internal frame buffer at double resolution, turning your 1080p into 4k, that many years ago. It's good to hear you know that you are nitpicking a statement where the future beyond 2.0 wasn't even known to the public and likely not even internally at that time. A Realm Reborn wasn't an expansion regardless, it was tag line associated with everything post shut down to differentiate it.

Hildibrand and King Mog weren't part of the Seventh Umbral Era content, so? Do I really need to say more than that? Your next question was already answered "never-to-be-repeated drama of the Seventh Umbral Era.". I would love to go into more detail on that last one regarding the event, but I don't feel like getting banned for talking about other sources.

That's a poor argument and you know it. It doesn't matter if someone did or didn't like 1.0 at the time, some people couldn't afford to pay the subscription fee for 1.0, some didn't know XIV existed. It could be a plethora of reasons. Stop making baseless assumptions to back up a selfish "screw you, got mine" mentality that doesn't need to exist with a pair of virtual earrings. This is all incredibly petty.

If they didn't like it, why do they care about something from it very directly aimed towards those that did? This goes right back to not knowing it existed.
If they couldn't afford it, it wasn't significant enough to allocate or earn money for it.
If they didn't know it existed, why is this a point again?

You're welcome to show me where this missing timeline is that I took my miner to go get them, because that is a baseless assumption. Being selfish is fighting this hard for something you missed out on because someone else didn't.

Yes, I do see your other post trying to diminish what they are. As if it makes it more acceptable. It doesn't work that way.

[Canadane]

Yoruichi, why is it important to you that others don't have a chance to get the earrings?

Maybe it is a difference in personalities, but I can't wrap my mind around why someone would not want someone else to have what is today a glamour item. I understand that it was not a glamour item then. Today it is. I understand there is as story behind it, but I'm still not seeing why it is important to keep it out of the hands of others. I'm not asking about SE's policy. How does this affect you?

I'm not Yoruichi but let me ask you, if they gave away Season 1 Feast trophies, would you be okay with that? You might not care for PvP and not feel strongly, but simply consider the idea of it, at the very least.
Now it's the same mentality for the White Ravens. There's some things that are earned and awarded. They shouldn't be just handed out like candy.

[Sigma-Astra]

If they didn't like it, why do they care about something from it very directly aimed towards those that did? This goes right back to not knowing it existed.
If they couldn't afford it, it wasn't significant enough to allocate or earn money for it.
If they didn't know it existed, why is this a point again?

You're welcome to show me where this missing timeline is that I took my miner to go get them, because that is a baseless assumption. Being selfish is fighting this hard for something you missed out on because someone else didn't.

Yes, I do see your other post trying to diminish what they are. As if it makes it more acceptable. It doesn't work that way.

Alright, why do you care so vehemently about other people having access towards an item that is suppose to mark the 5th anniversary of XIV, a game that you seem to enjoy playing just as much as those other people, an attempt to broaden the horizons of other players and give them an inkling to what happened in 1.0 when so many barely know you exist? Do you enjoy being ghosts of past? Because, that's very much what you are right now.

For someone who screams and clings towards having something to hold as recognition over others, you sure seem to like being in the back of the closet instead of in front. No one is giving or taking away your recognition because frankly, no one knew you existed in the first place. Now, people know you exist because of the earrings being brought back again.

I'm not diminishing what they are to you personally, you can have and keep the memories. That's fine, they're yours to keep. No one is taking away your sentimental value here. I'm diminishing a digital item that you're trying to keep away from other people simply because you think that they don't deserve it due to personal bias.

That's being selfish.

If your sole reason for no one else having the earrings is along the lines of "they don't deserve them because they weren't there", well then, by that logic, no one deserves anything that you own because they weren't simply there.

It doesn't work that way either as much as you hope it will.

[Yoruichi4478]

Yoruichi, why is it important to you that others don't have a chance to get the earrings?

Maybe it is a difference in personalities, but I can't wrap my mind around why someone would not want someone else to have what is today a glamour item. I understand that it was not a glamour item then. Today it is. I understand there is as story behind it, but I'm still not seeing why it is important to keep it out of the hands of others. I'm not asking about SE's policy. How does this affect you?

They got the same chance we 1.0ers did, it was called 1.0. I would've been fine with it saying "replica", while keeping my hard earned trophy intact as we never got a title for clearing it. I'd be fine if they in a hotfix, added a title to valid account holders. I know many 1.0ers who never got the chance to clear for many reasons, I know one specifically who was promised help after others got done and got shafted. She feels that just handing this earring out like this cheapens it for her. She doesn't want them, she never cleared the fight (it was near impossible to find ppl), I just got lucky, and we were both playing from start to finish. I tried to get her cleared, but another 1.0 fun fact, sometimes if you clicked on things, you got stuck attached to it for a while until the game booted you out, and that happened to me when I clicked on the instance entrance after getting enough ppl (only time I found enough for a full raid). By the time the game booted me out after I'd gotten stuck on the entrance click, the ppl I'd gathered to help my sister attempt her Rivenroad (HM) clear couldn't stay around anymore, and I wasn't able to get help for her again. In those days, before anyone does ask, you had to go to the entrance of instances to enter them. Duty Finder didn't exist then. If they knew about it and chose not to play it, it's on them. If they didn't know about it, well, that's on SE for not doing proper advertising. Also the fight was in circulation 6 years ago. They were either too busy to come up with new rewards, or too lazy.