Bringing the train back to Pagos?

[Deus-ExMachina]

What I am reading in this thread... Bring back trains so I can Netflix and let someone else spawn the NMs. Yeah I hope they keep it just as it is until they nerf it in January or December. Also the relic is not the casual weapon really just based on the time required. Your charity nub casual weapon is your upgraded tomestone weapon.

Ironically most NMs are not spawned by big groups of players but mostly 1 or 2 partys chaining the required mobs which technically makes everyone else a "Netflix watcher" that did not contribute in spawning that particular NM yet still flocking there like sheep once they see it on the map.

Bonus points for chaining mobs that do not spawn NMs while literally running over to every available Fate thinking that other people are a bunch of lazy folks for joining the fate despite not contributing to spawning it while claiming moral highground for beeing smart to combine chaining exp/light efficient mobs with doing occasional Fates spawned by other people.

Ultimately yes there were people afking the whole time in Anemos only to reap the rewards at the end but in Pagos it is kinda the same only coated in a different paint. Now you have people grinding mobs that will never spawn a NM because its either more efficient exp or light wise, basically only farming for themselfs while still reaping the rewards others achieved by killing the sufficient amount of the needed mobs to spawn a specific NM.

Objectivly speaking I dare to say that almost all people that are lvl 35 (me included) "leeched" at some point the rewards of the hard work of other people that spawned a Fate be it intentional or not.

[Nixxe]

Objectivly speaking I dare to say that almost all people that are lvl 35 (me included) "leeched" at some point the rewards of the hard work of other people that spawned a Fate be it intentional or not.

Yeah, there were several levels where I wanted to finish the level, but didn't have it in me to join a group to chain some dumb thing or another for an hour or two after having already spent 10 hours or so that day doing exactly that, so I just half-afked in the base and teleported to whatever NMs spawned.

[Grover42]

This thread didn't make it a whole page before it got derailed lol. Please remember that I was hoping to bring up discussion on how to create a light train, not the old NM train. The old NM train is just not even possible in Pagos is unless you're free to travel around the map (32+). So please, let's not keep going down that rabbit hole.

Also, everything that people hated about the old train, leeching/afk is much less possible with my idea. I was against people doing zero work and reaping all the rewards, sadly that's just what a lot of people ended up doing and I understand why steps were put in place to stop it. The light farm is now the roadblock, and I'm hoping to make that part of Pagos easier for the people that have already worked to get to, or near, max level already. No level 20 is going to be doing this light train.

So, let's try to keep on subject. Thank you!

[Deus-ExMachina]

This thread didn't make it a whole page before it got derailed lol. Please remember that I was hoping to bring up discussion on how to create a light train, not the old NM train. The old NM train is just not even possible in Pagos is unless you're free to travel around the map (32+). So please, let's not keep going down that rabbit hole.

Also, everything that people hated about the old train, leeching/afk is much less possible with my idea. I was against people doing zero work and reaping all the rewards, sadly that's just what a lot of people ended up doing and I understand why steps were put in place to stop it. The light farm is now the roadblock, and I'm hoping to make that part of Pagos easier for the people that have already worked to get to, or near, max level already. No level 20 is going to be doing this light train.

So, let's try to keep on subject. Thank you!

I mean killing an occational NM is kinda the fastest way to gain reliable light if it spawns while you grind light on efficient mobs. I also tried to participate in helping other groups chain the dragons which just resulted in them getting super mad claiming their light values get halved when I attack their mob (I have no confirmation on this one because generally light does not behave like exp in that regard but who knows).

So the hostility between different groups farming the same mobs just carries over from exp to light grinding at the moment which is not pleasant at all because most people are obsessed with their own progress and everyone else is a potential hinderance.

[Grover42]

I mean killing an occational NM is kinda the fastest way to gain reliable light if it spawns while you grind light on efficient mobs. I also tried to participate in helping other groups chain the dragons which just resulted in them getting super mad claiming their light values get halved when I attack their mob (I have no confirmation on this one because generally light does not behave like exp in that regard but who knows).

So the hostility between different groups farming the same mobs just carries over from exp to light grinding at the moment which is not pleasant at all because most people are obsessed with their own progress and everyone else is a potential hinderance.

I agree, but that's just because we haven't found a better way to farm light and why I brought up the subject. I saw the same reaction with people getting very upset with people hitting their group's monster, which is what stopped me from doing further tests with a larger alternate group (so far). As far it halving the light, the one time I got a light gain from hitting another group's monster, the same amount was given as if I was in that group. Granted, light gains have different levels even within feeble, so I doubt they really knew if you were taking half their light and likely think it works like exp does. Even if that were the case, killing NM monsters as a large group (old NM train) would net almost no light and through personal experience that just doesn't seem to be the case. I make decent light spawning Louhi with several groups there. One actual light train would be all it needs to test the theory.