The conpainon app

[Luna-M]

Can you explain why you are releasing an arguably pay to win system in this game? Why does the retainers and this app cost so much? You are overcharging. With what the mog station charges for items for a single character, sub fees, retainer fees, the micro transactions and a sub fee for the app? Can you explain why you are charging all this money? It is personally insulting to me too see all these high costs for this game when all you do is reskin content and have this meaningless treadmill for "game content". All I see here is a shameless cash grab and shocked there was no responses to the backlash before releasing it.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ust-be-removed

241 liked post on how people do not like the idea of this mircotransaction to be in the game, and you did it anyway without commenting to us about it, why?

Oh god this again. When are people going to understand having extra retainers and a saddlebag Is.Not.Pay-to-win.

[Elamys]

Oh god this again. When are people going to understand having extra retainers and a saddlebag Is.Not.Pay-to-win.

I wouldn't call it pay to win, but it's still a cash grab. They make a LOT of money already from subscriptions, extra retainers, and mog station sales. WoW's comparable app, besides having many more features, is completely free. This app wants not only a premium subscription but also micro transactions! This is insane.

[Luna-M]

I wouldn't call it pay to win, but it's still a cash grab. They make a LOT of money already from subscriptions, extra retainers, and mog station sales. WoW's comparable app, besides having many more features, is completely free. This app wants not only a premium subscription but also micro transactions! This is insane.

This i'm not arguing. It is a cash grab for sure - but running around screaming PAY TO WIN is plain stupid imho. Pay to Win would be idk pay €100 and get all top gear or something (not that would even matter in this endgame formula).

Does extra space and the ability to sell more items give someone an advantage in game? If yes then it's pay to win.

No cause gil is useless in this game. If we gonna go with a dumb logic like that, then we been pay to win for years with retainer service. Where have you been screaming and making threads about that?


No, I do not believe this app is pay to win what so ever. I think it's wrong on SE end but truth is I, as a dedicated crafter been looking forward to this app for years. I will never buy any coins but I have considered premium plan just for the inventory spaace from an extra retainer and saddlebag. I had hoped it wouldn't consume a nut to change prices on market board but I have NO PROBLEM that they are having selling behind a paywall.

[Sigma-Astra]

This i'm not arguing. It is a cash grab for sure - but running around screaming PAY TO WIN is plain stupid imho. Pay to Win would be idk pay €100 and get all top gear or something (not that would even matter in this endgame formula).

No cause gil is useless in this game. If we gonna go with a dumb logic like that, then we been pay to win for years with retainer service.

Or, that people who have insomnia and price gouge others while they're sleeping have been pay-to-win advantages for years, lol. xD

[ElazulHP]

No cause gil is useless in this game. If we gonna go with a dumb logic like that, then we been pay to win for years with retainer service. Where have you been screaming and making threads about that?


No, I do not believe this app is pay to win what so ever. I think it's wrong on SE end but truth is I, as a dedicated crafter been looking forward to this app for years. I will never buy any coins but I have considered premium plan just for the inventory spaace from an extra retainer and saddlebag. I had hoped it wouldn't consume a nut to change prices on market board but I have NO PROBLEM that they are having selling behind a paywall.

There HAVE been complaints about the extra retainers for years. You must have missed them or ignored them since they don't suit your narrative. As for gil being completely useless I disagree. Gil allows for the purchase of materials, transportation, housing, mounts, gearing up alt jobs via crafted sets, ect. If you're a heavy omni-crafter the extra space is practically mandantory. Regardless if you don't like it or not the text book definition of pay to win is if something that you buy with real money gives you an in-game advantage that IS pay to win.

Then there is the thread floating around on the main page asking for gil to be converted to Crysta. If that happened you could then convert gil to Crysta and buy game time with gil. That is a jack in the box I hope is never opened.

[Luna-M]

There HAVE been complaints about the extra retainers for years. You must have missed them or ignored them since they don't suit your narrative.

It has nowhere been close to any complains about this app though. Not even compareable in voices or volume of threads, salt or posts. My narrative? lol cause we (clearly) disagree on what is pay to win?

Regardless if you don't like it or not the text book definition of pay to win is if something that you buy with real money gives you an in-game advantage that IS pay to win.

..So what do I win? I can in store more items? I can list, in theory 20 more items than you? Oookey.

Then there is the thread floating around on the main page asking for gil to be converted to Crysta. If that happened you could then convert gil to Crysta and buy game time with gil. That is a jack in the box I hope is never opened.

Then you must have seen my opinion on that subject I assume. (Hint. I don't want it).

Apart from housing, there is nothing to sink your gil into. If you were in my position where you own multible houses, have everything capped, craft for enjoyment and have multiple 100s of Mil gil. It pretty useless.

Inb4 someone (or you) complain why I even craft when I have plenty of Gil - Same reason someone like Ash10 have capped Gil on multible characters, we find enjoyment in crafting.

[ElazulHP]

Oh god this again. When are people going to understand having extra retainers and a saddlebag Is.Not.Pay-to-win.

Does extra space and the ability to sell more items give someone an advantage in game? If yes then it's pay to win.

[Sigma-Astra]

Does extra space and the ability to sell more items give someone an advantage in game? If yes then it's pay to win.

Extra space that you're paying $5/month for when you could pay $2/month and hire an additional retainer which would give twice the amount of what that $5 saddlebag gives you.

As for the item advantage, people live in different time zones already and one person could jack the prices of a particular item much lower than what they should sell for while the other person is sleeping. Should we start calling multiple timezones a pay-to-win advantage now and start blaming other people for being awake when others are sleeping? Come on, guys.

It's a definite cash grab as someone else said, but it's not pay-to-win. This is greed, plain and simple really.

[Cylla]

Oh god this again. When are people going to understand having extra retainers and a saddlebag Is.Not.Pay-to-win.

While I don't agree with Hamada ranting, she is kinda right. The app is pretty useless unless you pay for it and it is money grabbing. Money grabbing more out of it playerbase and then turning around and putting that money else where and not back into XIV to make it better.

Blizzard offer their app totally free. You can use their chat, you can use the auction hall to sell and pick up your money, all that good stuff. Though before I left, Blizzard took down the auction part of it but they did say something about a new app coming that would be a lot better, so don't quote me on this, I'm going back to when it was used able and open to everyone for FREE.

You're right, it not a pay to win. I don't know where Hamada even comes up with that theory but, it is stupid regardless. Retainers are $2 a pop on mog station. Just buy two retainers and it still cheaper then the $5 a month, you just don't get a saddlebag. Big deal? Saddlebag doesn't sell things on MB for me anyway but them two retainers that I'm paying $4 for will and their far more useful in the long run.

The app should've been made free, all around. There shouldn't have been anything to pay for. We already pay a sub and that should be good enough imho.

[splinter1545]

Oh god this again. When are people going to understand having extra retainers and a saddlebag Is.Not.Pay-to-win.

Okay, saddlebags might not be, but the retainers definitely are. More retainers mean you get more slots to sell items. More slots to sell items means you can get into many more markets. More markets mean more gil. You also have the luxury of being able to fail or not profit from being in certain markets since you have footholds in other to make up for it, which someone with only 2 retainers don't have the benefit of doing, meaning they have to be more cautious in their investments.

Just cause it isn't battle content, doesn't mean that you aren't getting an advantage over others. Yes, gil is almost useless, but it's the principal that's the main concern, not the end result.