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  1. #21
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    Kabooa's Avatar
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    Jace Ossura
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    Quote Originally Posted by Selvokaz View Post
    how do you even arrive at that? from that? Walk me through it, cause as the person who wrote it, I don't see at any point where it says, you stay any in mode longer than usual, especially umbral ice since I specifically said super clearly you still maintain the super mp regen you already get with it.
    "Super MP Regen" is about as concrete a number as "A whole bunch of it"

    A) You said "Enochian stops MP Regen but reduces MP Costs by 50%". AKA you stay in Fire longer - Because as it is currently we have -no regen- and 50% reduction on -3- spells. Reducing all MP costs by 50% doubles our active time in AF.
    B) Given that Fire uptime is the most influential increase in Black Mage DPS, it follows that for -any semblance of balance- that your time in UI is increased as well. It's currently something like a 70 / 30 split, where a typical AF phase is around 21 seconds and a typical UI phase is 6-9. So with 50% MP reduction during AF, you'd be looking at something like 35-38 seconds of AF time, and 6-9 of UI if it were kept normal? Yeah no. Logic dictates that either Fire Spells get nerfed or UI duration is increased.
    C) Okay so that doesn't sound like a loss, just the same gain over a longer duration. Except any Encounter worth mentioning doesn't -do- that. You have dummy fights, but then you're effectively -changing nothing-, however, for any fight that isn't a glorified training dummy, spreading out Black Mage's windows hurts. Spreading out -anyone's- windows hurts.

    Black Mage might not be the most desirable damage job for a raid optimization team, but it is currently one of the most well oiled jobs out there. This thing flows like melted butter, and it lets a good black mage be -great-, and being great at black mage -feels great-.
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    Last edited by Kabooa; 08-08-2018 at 04:07 PM.

  2. #22
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    Blazikenowen Thedevil
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    I've read what you all said and mentioning enochian is a buff and this I know but my question mostly is why does it exist because while sure its a buff said buff could of been slapped together with something else or as something else enochian seems to be less of a buff and more of an annoyance to irritate blms since you NEED to use it and keep up fire/ice meter just to use the level 4 version of the spells if anything it could of been replaced with something better and the buff put as a passive with something else also I saw people saying blm has survivability but at lvl 60 as a blm I cant pull out enough damage to kill a lvl 60 enemy alone because monsters are faster then me as attacking and I have no real way to protect myself sure im slamming out big numbers but not fast enough and well drain is trash and doesnt heal anything worthwhile I've been a blm mage since the start oh playing so I know the rotation but I just seem now to pull out spells fast enough
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  3. #23
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    Use yoour chocobo, and buy starting gear from a vendor. That should be more than enough.
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  4. #24
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    Quote Originally Posted by megaowen View Post
    I've read what you all said and mentioning enochian is a buff and this I know but my question mostly is why does it exist because while sure its a buff said buff could of been slapped together with something else or as something else enochian seems to be less of a buff and more of an annoyance to irritate blms since you NEED to use it and keep up fire/ice meter just to use the level 4 version of the spells if anything it could of been replaced with something better and the buff put as a passive with something else also I saw people saying blm has survivability but at lvl 60 as a blm I cant pull out enough damage to kill a lvl 60 enemy alone because monsters are faster then me as attacking and I have no real way to protect myself sure im slamming out big numbers but not fast enough and well drain is trash and doesnt heal anything worthwhile I've been a blm mage since the start oh playing so I know the rotation but I just seem now to pull out spells fast enough
    You press it once, in the entire fight.
    And if you can't kill a level 60 mob on your own at lvl 60, you're doing something horribly wrong, or are wearing level 50 gear. From 1 to 70, everything melts like butter.

    B3 eno t3 b4 f3 f4 f4 f4 f1 f4 f4 f4 b3. If that's overkill for what you're facing skip the t3 and b4 to do 5 f4s instead of 6 and save time.

    Also remember sleep is a spell.
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    Last edited by Zerathor; 08-11-2018 at 10:45 AM.

  5. #25
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zerathor View Post
    Also remember sleep is a spell.
    PogChamp

    Can confirm :3 Freeze is also a forgotten spell that helped me in a 3man caster party and allowed me to save my squad multiple times. Vercure is good, but preventing mobs zerging YOU with binds and sleep is even better.
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  6. #26
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    Enochian is pointless fluff at this moment in time and needs shifting to traits and potencies adjusted as necessary. All it does to a competent BLM is force them to clip their second GCD of the fight, then it's useless the rest.
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  7. #27
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    Tani Shirai
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zerathor View Post
    Blm would be the most boring job of the game without eno. And blm survivability is fine through the story. If you're doing your rotation properly, everything just dies. Don't forget sleep is also very useful in open world/story missions.
    Without Enochian... as a 5% damage buff? As an active cast? Existent as a mechanical passive trait? The first provides no change to gameplay. The second provides only the extra use of an oGCD animation while punishing a loss of Enochian in fewer than 30 seconds.

    You could easily make Enochian provide MORE gameplay depth without it having to be an ability, rather than a trait. It's not a matter of exactly X implementation or nothing at all.
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  8. #28
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    Blazikenowen Thedevil
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    see thats the thing none of my gear was lvl 50 and yet I keep dying because im having the issue of casting times being to slow it could be an equip issue but the current stuff im wearing have got me through everything else yet for some reason a lvl 60 mob can kill me at this point im just using boosted warrior to do the story then when I have heaven on high I will level my blm to 70 then gonna have to find a way to get a crap ton of gil since I recently ran out and have no gathering jobs leveled and will then proceed to buy decent equipment from the market place
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  9. #29
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    Reinhardt Azureheim
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    Quote Originally Posted by megaowen View Post
    see thats the thing none of my gear was lvl 50 and yet I keep dying because im having the issue of casting times being to slow it could be an equip issue but the current stuff im wearing have got me through everything else yet for some reason a lvl 60 mob can kill me at this point im just using boosted warrior to do the story then when I have heaven on high I will level my blm to 70 then gonna have to find a way to get a crap ton of gil since I recently ran out and have no gathering jobs leveled and will then proceed to buy decent equipment from the market place
    it would help if you post the item level / name ofthe gear and where you encountered the lv60 mobs
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  10. #30
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shurrikhan View Post
    Without Enochian... as a 5% damage buff? As an active cast? Existent as a mechanical passive trait? The first provides no change to gameplay. The second provides only the extra use of an oGCD animation while punishing a loss of Enochian in fewer than 30 seconds.

    You could easily make Enochian provide MORE gameplay depth without it having to be an ability, rather than a trait. It's not a matter of exactly X implementation or nothing at all.
    But I still don't get out of all the useless spells blm has, somehow the spell that's functioning properly is suddenly an issue. It's a buff that you pop in the start of your rotation. What if we tried to make f2 b2 scathe or freeze useful? Especially freeze.
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