No more content like Rath Extreme, please.

[Lambdafish]

The rest of the posts...its late, and to be honest I'm tired of trying to get people to understand my point.

There's nothing to congrats about. I stayed with it more to prove to people I don't talk about these things because I suck and want them nerfed. That's all. if they require hard content, I'll either grind it till I'm sick of it to be able to do it, or not do it if I can't.

I think people understand your posts, they just don't agree. And by the sounds of it, it's you that doesn't fully understand the difficulty argument within this game. Rath EX is an experimental fight that requires the players to shift their perception while playing. There is a lot more untelegraphed damage, and players are required to move more like an action RPG than this game. That's intentional of the fight, not intentional of 4 man content or any other kind of midcore content in general.

Moving on to your idea of raiders. I think the raiders that you have met are the bad bunch and don't reflect the community as a whole (mainly because the majority of mid to higher end raiders tend to keep to their own FCs/LSs/statics and aren't present in raid finder or party finder). These groups aren't looking for you to perform on ultimate level, as you so believe, they are wanting you to at the very least listen and follow rules. The other day I got called elitist for expecting more from a guy that joined a weekly clear party that hadn't cleared, that's what I'm talking about when I say following rules.

[kikix12]

Blackmages should just use scathe once Rathalos is in the air. Damage is not of much relevance at that point due to how severe the defense buff of his is, just global cooldown skills use. Red Mages have no instant-cast they can keep on using, so saying that Red Mages have more mobility in this fight in particular shows lack of knowledge about Rathalos, despite the information about it being there for a while now.

And while you use Scathe, you can use Aetherial Manipulation to avoid the attacks if at least one party member is out of the way. It's faster than running and an ability so can be used easily between Scathes. With 10sec cooldown it's a joke.

Same with other casters. Aero for White Mage, Bio/Ruin II for Scholar/Summoner and Combust for Astrologian. I'm not really sure that worrying about those 2000-3000 damage between downs is really all that important when the alternative is failing the entire trial...

[ErysNight]

Rathalos is designed like he works (or close to) in Monster Hunter World. It's not a indication that the game or combat is going this direction. So OP, calm down.

On that note I think this is one of the most fun fights added to this game so far by a long shot.

I completely agree with you lol. Your post made me laugh and it's one of the most valid here.

This fight is based on the MHW monster which makes sense since it's a collab. People complain about repetitive content so he gives us something new to try and now people tear it down because it's not easy (which isn't true). I am a super casual player that hates battle and prefers to craft and cleared it on day one with a party that wiped like 4 times before we cleared. It's the players not the content. Don't quit something because it's hard, learn from a wipe, get the mechanics down and figure it out.

Now the gear isn't that interesting and I'm not gonna farm for the mount lol. But I commend SE for trying something new.

It's not the content it's just some players lol.

[Sigma-Astra]

The rest of the posts...its late, and to be honest I'm tired of trying to get people to understand my point.

There's nothing to congrats about. I stayed with it more to prove to people I don't talk about these things because I suck and want them nerfed. That's all. if they require hard content, I'll either grind it till I'm sick of it to be able to do it, or not do it if I can't.

We understand your point, you're just very bad at articulating it without it coming off as "I don't find this fun, so no one else is allowed to think it's a good idea or find it fun either simply because I don't like it".

I don’t understand why shall I be trolling and about what lol If you are confuse about how I do formulate sentences is because English is not my mother language probably (: Btw I am serious and I was just telling you that even in expert you need to be playing properly and put effort in it.

About the comparison to Sephirot Ex, I think is different because that trials is pretty difficult and in a sync party there you can’t skip mechs and while dodging you need to keep DPS and healing consistent.
In Rath ex there is not any DPS check in fact you can clear it with three tanks plus if you kill the tail the dragon takes so much dmg: dodging is the only thing required. My Bf next to me is trying to farm because he got multiple clears but he can’t find today a healer able to keep up with healing and Esuna but that is a matter of manual coordination not abilities with the class.

I just think that this content stops being fun when you need to try dozens time for a clear, Primals trials are much more enjoyable (:

Ah, fair enough. Sometimes it's really hard to see intents and tones through text on a screen. So, my apologies John, I hope that you can forgive my slight rudeness then. But yes, I do agree that even in expert there's a fair amount of skill involved, but I still stand by that even so, unfortunately most players just don't care or have the drive to actually put in as much effort as they do with everything else.

As for Sephirot EX, that's a fair point that you can't skip the mechanics quite as easily as most other trials. And regarding Rath EX, sometimes I feel like maybe there should have been a DPS check to elevate a higher sense of challenge than simply dodging, just to give the trial fight the same kind of standards as the other XIV trials have had even if it's more reminiscent of MHW first and foremost.

As for the other thing regarding content that stops being fun dozens of times as you clear it, well, I'll slightly agree and disagree with you there that yes that's true....but, it's not just for Rath EX. Literally, any kind of content within XIV can turn into a slogfest and lose their enjoyment but it just varies from person to person. Like, a primal trial will be enjoyable to me after the first 10-20 clears...and then it starts becoming a chore just to get to 99. Pagos is on a whooooole other level and plane of existence.

[InkstainedGwyn]

We understand your point, you're just very bad at articulating it without it coming off as "I don't find this fun, so no one else is allowed to think it's a good idea or find it fun either simply because I don't like it".

This. Pair that with the fact that your response to everything XIV releases is the same "this is terrible" - especially optional content that you don't like the difficulty level on - and we all know what you're going to post before you do. You claim to speak for "the casuals" and I wish you wouldn't; I'm one of those casuals - I've never done Savage, I got all my HW mounts unsync'd, I have no intention of touching Ultimate - and I've never felt the way you have about the newer "difficult" content, even if I might never touch it. In fact, I find the fact that they removed story from all of the ex/savage/ultimate fights to be amazing, because it means they're not expecting casuals to go through fights they don't want to do just to get narrative they're missing. And I don't begrudge the game for putting resources into content I don't like, because plenty of other people do. So I'd like you to stop talking as if the casual community as a whole asked you to come in and speak on our behalf, because we didn't.

Your bias against raiders is legendary to the point of hyperbole. It's an MMO. There are going to be jerks in any game, but I know a lot of raiders who, when told "sorry, not my cup of tea," say "sure!" and go about their day. And should I decide I want to attempt difficult content, you'd best be sure I'm going to make sure my attempts are up to par. I wouldn't step into a German III class knowing only how to ask to find the washroom and expect them to take my tests for me, and raiding is no different. Besides, my FC is full of casuals (you don't speak for them, either, trust me) and we all go in together to try this content. We're currently farming Shinryu for mounts; it took us a long time to get through because the mechanics were hard for a few folks, but we kept at it. So this nonsense about "raiding is toxic" needs to stop. Just like anything, it can be, but it's not toxic by nature and there are plenty of ways to dabble in it without ever coming across toxic people.

These are forums. You're allowed your opinions, that's what this is all about. However, people are going to take you a lot more seriously if you 1) stop using filler arguments, we can all recognise straw man and circular arguments for what they are and 2) stop exaggerating. "Raiders are ruining the game!!!!!" just sounds like hysterics and immediately makes people stop listening.

[MageBlack]

Lmao, all the reasons you "dont" like the fight are all the reasons why i DO like the fight. Its a breath of fresh air. I really want to see more like this, from the standpoint of all roles.

[AxlStream]

You "speak for the casuals" yet the casuals I know all love Rath EX. Then again, they are moderately competent at the game.

[Kyu-Momo]

I HATE this event. I only have melee leveled so I have no way to just cheese this so I can get the mount so I can forget this exists. (only 30 more clears to go. yay?)

Rathalos in the MH games is SO much easier to deal with imo. Heck, I'd rather fight his G rank subspecies than do more of this, but unfortunately I'm an OCD perfectionist... so... Here we are.

For starters, You have a MUCH larger area to fight him in in the MH games (though I find him much easier in mh3 onward. I hate claw controls, I can't help it.) . You also have a lot of tools at your disposal for dealing with him. The only really good thing about the event is that you can still hit him while he's flying without needing a gunner/bow user etc or flashbombs. Him flying too much is one of my biggest gripes in mh.
but here in ff14, all we get is a teeny, tiny arena where he can just stick his butt near the edge of the arena and suddenly as melee, you usually have to stop what you are doing when he goes for tail swipe number xxx because that stupid tail can't actually be cut off. Ranged and tanks have it easy. And I don't even want to think how hard this event must be to heal.

Maybe I just keep running into all the jerks these days, but most of my groups have been tanks getting hit more than me and then going all toxic on me when I get wombo combo'd to death (I still have not figured out how to see that stupid hop fireball coming. most of my deaths are from that. UGH) Having constant parties expecting people to be perfect robots is the opposite of fun, in my book. And unlike MH? YOU CAN'T JUST DO IT YOURSELF.

[Yob_i]

The issue with all you people saying "It's your problem, cause you cant do it." This was supposed to be a cross over event not some extreme trial farm on a time limit. If they want to make harder content make the actual fights harder not the events here for a limited time. Funny seeing all these people defending SE left and right and they fucked up yet again on a cross over event. First one was a grind to hell for stupid looking items and now it's over the top grinding for something that shouldn't even be remotely this hard, this is supposed to be fun not something I need to make get my raid group for.

[AxlStream]

But there is no time limits. Rathalos ain't leaving, it's permanent.