Rathalos EX

[JunseiKei]

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It relies heavily on your healer if you've made any kind of mistake. I noticed when I went as a DPS, healers were very slow to esuna (and why I bit the bullet and went SCH for the majority of my kills). I mean, this shows you can make mistakes, a lot of them, and still kill it.

[Duskane]

the fights barly random when you can abuse his ai
in the second phase you just stand near his tail and when he turns around go back to his tail he legit can not get you until stack mechanic
if your running 4 tanks they can take the stacks solo easily

no wind pressure = easy rathalos

[Rowde]

Welp... 66 clears.

Treasure Coffer appeared 10 times.

Whistle was in Coffer 2 times.

Of course, I didn't win either whistle, but I managed to get the scroll and poogie (got the pig from the last coffer because I was the only one that lotted it...). After spending my scale+ on whistle and augmented glams, I have 4 scale+ leftover and 210 regular scales...



btw, Proof of a Hero is the mount music!


Also, I saw a post on another forum that said what fills the Down Gauge are GCD hits, not dmg. Towards the end we tested this, and it seems to be the case. So don't bother wasting oGCDs while it's in flight. Casters should spam whatever their fastest spell is (Scathe for BLM, Ruin II for SMN/SCH, etc) until it's downed, then resume an actual DPS rotation.

[JunseiKei]

Welp... 66 clears.

Treasure Coffer appeared 10 times.

Whistle was in Coffer 2 times.

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Yeah, about as many runs as I did, with just as many chests. Whistles though, wew. I never saw one drop. So they do exist?

Really glad they went with Proof of a Hero instead of Rathalos' theme for his music. :3

[supaiku]

1. It is random. It is TOO random that he can kill me again after me spawning back instantly. It is too random that he can just attack same person 5 times. How the hell will we survive that if the person is hit in the first place? It does stun + poison. Basically you get hit, you die.

2. Its dive attack is too fast, at least for me. He turns me and comes at me. When i start running sideways, if i am not far away he always hits me.

3. This is the most bothersome for me. Camera angles. Idk if this is an issue on pc, but on ps4, i can't see boss's face when he is flying if i do not set my camera always. And like i said, he is fast. I really can't see sometimes who he is targeting, that's why i look at the agro bar. But some angles really obstruct my view as well so idk maybe don't put invisible walls in arena edges in a fight like this?

As a Ps4 player, I have the same problems. Sometimes it takes a while to adjust the camera so that I am actually able to see the boss, that´ s really annoying, especially if he targets me in that moment, because then I'm usually not able to react fast enough because I simply wasn't able to see him. And if the camera is fine and I see the boss, I start running as soon as I see he is facing me. But even then sometimes his dive kills me and I don't know why. I can't do more than run away and sprint isn't always available. I seriously think something is wrong with his hitbox, because sometimes I stand really close to him but don't get hit and other times I am far away but get hit.
I like this fight, but this is frustrating.

[RiyahArp]

It relies heavily on your healer if you've made any kind of mistake.

That video had very few mistakes at all, actually. In the runs I've had, one mistake was say the dps getting in front of garula and cleaved, causing no dps and a wipe. Or they hit a flying rush, get stunned, and can't heal because poison kills them faster than esuna reaches them. Or the casters get caught in a cast and don't react in time, one shot.

It's not a fun fight.

There's so many chances to cause an error with little backup. It's not people being bad..i mean they dodge a lot, understand mechanics, and do their best. It's just that all it takes is a single or couple of errors and bam, reset. And thats solely because dps and heals are weak; apparently tanks can do it without a healer, or 3 tanks one healer makes it far easier, since mistakes no longer oneshot and the stack mechanic no longer takes off so much health.

[Zale]

Ok, my problem isn't that "the fight is too hard". Actually mechanic-wise it is pretty simple. I can see what he is gonna do and how to react to it. I have basically 3 problems i will name:

1. It is random. It is TOO random that he can kill me again after me spawning back instantly. It is too random that he can just attack same person 5 times. How the hell will we survive that if the person is hit in the first place? It does stun + poison. Basically you get hit, you die.

2. Its dive attack is too fast, at least for me. He turns me and comes at me. When i start running sideways, if i am not far away he always hits me.

3. This is the most bothersome for me. Camera angles. Idk if this is an issue on pc, but on ps4, i can't see boss's face when he is flying if i do not set my camera always. And like i said, he is fast. I really can't see sometimes who he is targeting, that's why i look at the agro bar. But some angles really obstruct my view as well so idk maybe don't put invisible walls in arena edges in a fight like this?

And it is easy to talk when you are tank tbh. There was a tank in our group, who got hit like 3-4 times but don't die ofc, but we (i, healer and dps) die, so he kept "wtf dudes, are you stupid" etc. Try doing this fight as a esuna bot or melee, and then say "oh i cleared this 65 times". Then i will know there is something wrong with me after 3 years of healing.

i can heal/ranged dps it and get hit a few times or none at all. the fight is very braindead for ranged in my experience. im not sure about blm/smn but idk? just don't get hit lol? it's not that hard. pay attention to where he's facing and move accordingly, not a mechanic, not being random. maybe just pay attention lol? when i ran on healer all i had to do was just take esuna and watch myself.

[Zale]

That video had very few mistakes at all, actually. In the runs I've had, one mistake was say the dps getting in front of garula and cleaved, causing no dps and a wipe. Or they hit a flying rush, get stunned, and can't heal because poison kills them faster than esuna reaches them. Or the casters get caught in a cast and don't react in time, one shot.

It's not a fun fight.

There's so many chances to cause an error with little backup. It's not people being bad..i mean they dodge a lot, understand mechanics, and do their best. It's just that all it takes is a single or couple of errors and bam, reset. And thats solely because dps and heals are weak; apparently tanks can do it without a healer, or 3 tanks one healer makes it far easier, since mistakes no longer oneshot and the stack mechanic no longer takes off so much health.

then all they have to do is move. there's multiple safe spots you can stand in... this isn't your typical fight with cast bars and mechanics. you pay attention to his animations and where he's facing, how hard is it for people to understand that? there are tips online to help you, even, if you don't understand where the safe places to stand are.

[LalaRu]

Well, this is MH xover so it is correct have MH mechanics there. About difficulty, it is again tuned correctly, because it will be hilarious have every casual got the EX down and farming it from day 0.

Just wait the upcoming i390 and all your concerns are gone.

[JunseiKei]

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A mistake = getting hit by anything that is not avoidable. That would limit it to targeted fireballs and his roars. Tons of mistakes were made, there was just a generous amount of compensation done.

Like I said in a previous post, Rathalos is absolutely best dodged at melee range; esuna not reaching someone because they are out of range shouldn't ever be a thing. A caster finishing their cast is something you cannot do on this fight. If you see this more than once especially, I'd daresay communicating to your team things like, "Dodge, don't finish cast" is pretty essential. It's not that heals and DPS are weak, it's just tanks have that much more HP and defense to work with (reason why I farmed most of it with 2 tanks, 1 DPS, 1 healer was because the one DPS literally could not dodge and asked if double tank was OK. We just rolled with it). With a decent weapon (relic, diamond weapon and knowledge of tank DPS rotation for burst damage), tanks function just as well as DPS in this fight. This entire fight is dodging, resource management and bursting during key segments.

Mistakes as it is do not one shot if you have full HP. The video shows that. I literally took 2 people through normal version and immediately into EX; just told them to do exactly as I said (which I posted above in the tips). Took one lock out, but we killed it. I've never taken someone completely new to the fight in any EX primal before, taught them the fight and killed it. This fight is way easier than people act like it is because it's simply not what they've grown used to in FFXIV (and one of them had never played MonHan, so every animation was completely new to them). We definitely got the easier fight out of the two collaborations (I genuinely cry every time we fail Behemoth - that's SO much pots/buffs/zenny lost after a while. At least here you only lose time and gear durability).