DPS Enmity controls

[TaiyoShikasu]

I'm hard-pressed to believe a decent samurai WON'T have diversion built into their opener, leading me to believe such a player to be a non-factor like the rest of non-diversion using players.

That implies decent samurai aren't basically unicorns.

[dundhey]

Tank: DPS
Healer: DPS
DPS: Hate control

Did i get this right?

[Tho-Much]

Tank: hate control - use his defensive Cooldowns properly - DPS
Healer: make sure everyone survive the fight - hate control - DPS
DPS: DPS - hate control

It is not that hard to understand... thats what i call teamplay

[Hierro]

Tank: DPS
Healer: DPS
DPS: Hate control

Did i get this right?

wow, my eyes have been open

guys, healers should heal, only!

tanks, use your 123 aggro combo ONLY and in tank stance as your ONLY stance.

This guy is such a visionary.

[fumofu]

wow, my eyes have been open

guys, healers should heal, only!

tanks, use your 123 aggro combo ONLY and in tank stance as your ONLY stance.

This guy is such a visionary.

Heck, maybe SE should abandon this outdated healer/tank/dd concept already cos this game is all about dps anyway. And that would solve problem with long waiting times to access instances, cos there's only one universal role.

Just put all aggro controls to role actions, along with some heals and defensive skills. And don't forget to give ex-tanks/healers more dps skills, while removing their defensive and healing skills (which now are in role actions anyway).

And there ya go! Perfect ffxiv, according to raiders and other optimisation maniacs. Cos these peopole are the only player group that matters here.

[RayneBoemir]

At very least for BRD at least in dungeons enmity dumps are usually unavailable. You use refresh for opener and tactician for aoe tp so it’s not uncommon for them to rip hate if you aren’t doing tank stance/hate combos honestly wish they would give us a separate hate dump, diversion or put the hate dump from refresh/tactician on repelling shot.

[Azbroolah]

Tank: DPS
Healer: DPS
DPS: Hate control

Did i get this right?

Taking the obvious bait, but tanks actively lose DPS by swapping back into tank stance and aggro comboing, while using Diversion or Lucid as a DPS or healer costs nothing. It's not that hard to understand.

[KatsuraJun]

So from now on, I'm not using reprisal or veil anymore. Shake it Off will exclusively be reserved for keeping myself alive, because that's my job along with keeping aggro. Keeping the team alive is the healers job, they can just do their job properly instead of relying on me to press one button to help them with that.

Next time the healer asks for a cover or blackest night on the prey target in o7s I'll tell them that's not my job and that they're bad.

[fumofu]

Taking the obvious bait, but tanks actively lose DPS by swapping back into tank stance and aggro comboing, while using Diversion or Lucid as a DPS or healer costs nothing. It's not that hard to understand.

So, basically you're agreeing with dundhey's statement? Thing is, there can't really be a single answer, because different types of content requires different play style. And while I understand and accept that savage and ex-trials are where everyone should push their dps, I'll never accept same expectations for regular dungeons.

So from now on, I'm not using reprisal or veil anymore. Shake it Off will exclusively be reserved for keeping myself alive, because that's my job along with keeping aggro. Keeping the team alive is the healers job, they can just do their job properly instead of relying on me to press one button to help them with that.

Next time the healer asks for a cover or blackest night on the prey target in o7s I'll tell them that's not my job and that they're bad.

You guys seriously have trouble understanding that there's different play standards in savage and regular content, don't you?

[Bourne_Endeavor]

So, basically you're agreeing with dundhey's statement?

Unless I'm reading it wrong, I believe she's mocking people who keep insisting it's only the tank's responsibility to manage aggro. Abilities like Shake, Veil and Reprisal only help make things easier on healers, which is the precise same thing Diversion does for tanks. A tank refusing to use any of the aforementioned abilities would be immediately labelled a bad tank yet some people still defend not using Diversion.

You guys seriously have trouble understanding that there's different play standards in savage and regular content, don't you?

No, there really isn't. There is the lazy, "tanks adjust because I'm too lazy" and the efficient way. Is it really that much to ask DPS utilize their oGCDs to support the party? A Ninja who refuses to use Shadewalker and Smokescreen is a bad Ninja. Why is Diversion exempted from this? The same logic applies to DPS who refuse to AoE large pulls—some arguing because the rotation bores them. That isn't an example of a different playstyle, it's simply you wasting other people's time.