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    Quote Originally Posted by Remedi View Post
    You are wrong on the cash shop, the extra retainers were the first extra service added afaik, in fact they aren't even on the cashs shop,
    Same with shared and one player only items. they were all there
    If I was mistaken about retainers coming before the full cash shop, then thank you for correcting that. However, lets not be pedantic on the verbiage regarding cash shop / paid retainers. I get that it's easier to attack someone's choice of words vs. the point, but lets try and avoid that. And of course there were items before that were for single-character use. With that said, many types of items that were historically account-wide are now coming to us as single-character only. Even the physical items are starting to have their bonus in-game item released as single-character only.

    So yes, you are a untruysthorthy narrator because you are not saying how things really went to foster a slippery slope agenda or how things for the worse when they really aren't.
    My only mistake so far seems to be mixing up the release order of paid retainers and the full cash shop. And perhaps using "cash shop" as a catch-all for paid in-game services and items that people can purchase from the Mogstation.

    The only real slippery slope I'll concede is the skip potions WHICH BTW reported to have poor sales and lead Yoshida to say in the latest LL that they are going to prune or look at MSQ (well perhaps not exactly because of it but a good chance it helped).
    So you concur there is a slippery slope. We just disagree on how greased up it is.

    Also SE has told us that profits of mogstation would be used to further improve servers, which I admit you need to believe what they said and they might aswell lie to us, but at that point you need to prove that they are spending the money in other ways, because everything else becomes just a rumor.
    Not sure why this is coming up. I have no issues with a company making money. They can do with it as they please. However, it is also there job to ensure that their customers feel that they are getting the best bang for their buck. Some people are currently fine with how SE is handling this, others are not.

    as for the FFXI part.
    If you consider storage to be a worse offender than a character slot I don't know what to say, I'll say that it was more than 15 years ago and there were other reasons for me not to play FFXI, but admittedly the fact that I could have mutliple characters without an extra pay was an enticing prospect that WoW had.
    I never said that I considered storage to be worse than a character slot. XI allows you to buy additional character slots. XIV lets you buy additional character slots. XI lets you buy 2 gear-only storage bags, XIV lets you buy 9(I think?) additional retainers - which have far more use than just storage. I don't get why you're hung up on XI in this conversation. Yes, they had, and have, a couple of paid features, but lets not pretend it's anywhere close to being on par with XIV and their Mogstation* purchase options.
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    Last edited by Skivvy; 08-04-2018 at 05:07 AM.