“non-essential” premium content, does SE want this kind of reputation if it continue?

[Radial]

Why does this forum like to nitpick the shit out of stupid things?

Because they have a psychological need to defend their purchase/money spent.

This strikes true with a lot of us. How often do you see people say "Well if you don't like it, go play something else"? That's not a great way to be. I think most of us are here because we have enjoyed something about the game, and we want to see it become better. We bring issues up, and complain, because we hope it will do some good. Some people go about it better than others, but I imagine the underlying thought is the same.

Of course there are times where you just need to throw in the towel and move on, but that's a personal decision. We all have our limit for what we find acceptable. I'm definitely of the opinion that SE has done plenty of bad things with this game, and I would probably not pick up another SE title. That's a complete reversal from my XI days. I'm obviously just one person, but I doubt I'm alone in that thought.

Yeah its really sad as a legacy player to see these newcomers with this attitude, we criticize things we love the most because we want them to be better! Do they not realize 2.0 would have never happened with their attitude?

[ManuelBravo]

Saying it is due to demand doesn't really add up, that may be true for some items but jump potions for example were almost universally panned andyet we got them anyway.

I'm not sure why you think quoting the definition of business in a condescending way is an argument? Anyone who has actual business experience knows that a huge part of running a business is competition and keeping you customers happy and loyal. This weird justification for any behavior with "Its a BUSINESS" is unique to digital goods, I have no idea why. People would not accept this for anything else.

Regarding things being OPTIONAL , Textures are optional, you could technically play the game in wireframe mode just fine, sound and music is optional, dont NEED them to play the game. Graphic settings beyond the minimum are optional. If you go down this weird subjective rabbit hole 99.99% of the game is optional. Makes no sense to tell people who don't like this its OPTIONAL . Its a meaningless point.

I was not talking about client lag, tho there are issues that highlight SE laziness and incompetence in the move to dx11 with crashes and driver problems that are easily preventable on SE end, as well as lack of proper Anti Aliasing. I was talking about connection problems with the server location and move. I have done network contracting for game companies before and the issues with packet loss and routing in ffxiv are absolutely preventable and solvable,as evidence by the fact no other MMO has this problem. This isn't random intermittent lag that happens to some people in all MMOs, this is chronic specific problem that is easily traceable to a specific point and has been happening for years. if SE actually gave a crap and was willing to spend money to do their literal job as an MMO service provider it could be fixed in a day.

What do you mean it does not add up? Have you even seen the request on forums for certain items? Past events? re -releasing items in some sort? Supply and demand determine how a business can thrive and yes I do have a business degree, however it does not take a degree to have common sense and realize that this type of business is not a charity type. As for why I gave explanations and definition of what a business means, hoping that people can connect the dots and have some type of hope that common sense still exist in the world, is not meant to be condescending. It was meant to back up my argument on this whole matter. Keeping customers loyal and clients happy in a perfect world would be ideal. Now lets get back to reality, NO business can have a 100% customer satisfaction and thrive. People are too conceited, fail to take responsibility for their actions, lack the common sense to read the terms of use which would eliminate some of these threads that lead no where, and fail to realize that the culture of online gaming has changed to what it use to be.

I'm a tech by profession, and your right many things can be optional tech wise, however we are talking about content here that is being sold. So stay focus personally it's rare that I have any connection issues or even have had many problems that people claim here to have. I've been able to replicate them on lower spec systems, however on my main one extremely rare issues. So by trial an error I can only say most players do require upgrades being technology is changing and either can't afford to, don't have the knowledge to do so on their own, or don;t want to face the fact that their device is obsolete to an extend. Sure it plays other games why won't it play FFXIV people would most likely say as an argument to which it is a very simple response. Programs vary not all games have same requirements. -.-; I will agree companies now and again will have issues and are addresses as patches are being released, their notes give great things of what has happened. So yes it is work in progress. It is a program and as new content is released it is realistically acceptable that bugs will pop up. However lack of common sense is a complete different story. No company can fix that.

[Granyala]

As for the whole Lag issues ; -.- you do realize that there are multiple factors that can affect this, NOT just SE. Device, technology changes example; PC 32bit system , recommended to use 64bit system. There is also product knowledge somehow people want to run at max settings when their system can't handle it. Then it crashes and blame the company.

There is a difference between lag and framerate/stutter.
While the latter is on people, the former is entirely on SEs, mainly their shitty netcode.

I have a very powerful gaming system and I get the typical .5s delay on everything in the game (UI updates, positioning etc, most easily seen when healing or dispelling people).
My latency to the server is 37ms, so it is NOT the servers fault. It is the coding that sucks... HARD.

I played WoW for 10 years and never had latency issues this bad and I played it on potatoes at max settings, getting down to 2.4 FPS in boss fights.

[Skivvy]

What I mean is that FFXI already sold extra wardrobe space and also you had to pay for character slots, from what ppl tell me about the game it's more crippling than here, but I could be wrong. Point is that what's happening is not really doing anything out of the straordinary

Mules have always been popular in XI, but they are handy for far more than just storage. I think the big perks are when used as crafting alts, gardening armies, bazaaring, more auction house space, free daily item etc. Big money can be had from mules. Up until 2016, when they started selling the 2 additional gear storage slots, this was the only additional in-game "perk" you could buy in addition to your sub.

If the only thing that XIV sold were additional retainers, I don't think the backlash would be so strong. But as it is, they have a massive cash shop full of exclusive mounts and costumes. They are introducing a sub-based app for in-game perks. And then there are the 9 additional retainers for sale. The last one annoys me a bit just due to how it was handled by SE. SE tried to explain why they couldn't increase inventory, but then suddenly those concerns seemed to poof once the sales became available. Another sore spot is that we still don't have a free 3rd retainer after 5 years.

One thing by itself may not be horrible, but when it's all combined together, it's not painting the best of pictures.

Of course, this is just my opinion. I understand not everyone is going to feel the same as me.

[Remedi]

Mules have always been popular in XI, but they are handy for far more than just storage. I think the big perks are when used as crafting alts, gardening armies, bazaaring, more auction house space, free daily item etc. Big money can be had from mules. Up until 2016, when they started selling the 2 additional gear storage slots, this was the only thing you could buy in addition to your sub.

If the only thing that XIV sold were additional retainers, I don't think the backlash would be so strong. But as it is, they have a massive cash shop full of exclusive mounts and costumes. They are introducing a sub-based app for in-game perks. And then there are the 9 additional retainers for sale. The last one annoys me a bit just due to how it was handled by SE. SE tried to explain why they couldn't increase inventory, but then suddenly those concerns seemed to poof once the sales became available. Another sore spot is that we still don't have a free 3rd retainer after 5 years.

One thing by itself may not be horrible, but when it's all combined together, it's not painting the best of pictures.

Of course, this is just my opinion. I understand not everyone is going to feel the same as me.

I say that extra char slots are worse than eveything done so far tbh, the damage was done then not now.

The problem with this thread is that it's trying to say that it's a slippery slope, but we are already at the bottom of the barrell because the company has done plenty of this things in the years

and as granyala haave said blizzard has paved the way for the cash shop in sub games, SE simply adapted it on top on their selling storages and partly on character slots (begginer fee vs normal player fee) and he/she is also right that sadly complaining about this won't change much because there always be ppl willing to pay for this (which sadly it's a common thing in japan)

[Ilan]

Why are you so amazed that your weird subjective definition of mandatory and optional in the game is not shared by everyone? What exactly is mandatory? If glamour is the true end game for most, then all this "optional" stuff seems pretty mandatory to me.

If glamour is your true endgame, why bother with the ugly stuff in the mogstation? Just because you think you need that stuff doesn't mean i would have a weird definition of mandatory. There is nothing in the shop that you NEED to progress further in the game, that means there is nothing mandatory. But since you obviously didn't understand for what you are paying your sub, we don't even have to discuss anymore because it is a waste of time.

[ManuelBravo]

There is a difference between lag and framerate/stutter.
While the latter is on people, the former is entirely on SEs, mainly their shitty netcode.

I have a very powerful gaming system and I get the typical .5s delay on everything in the game (UI updates, positioning etc, most easily seen when healing or dispelling people).
My latency to the server is 37ms, so it is NOT the servers fault. It is the coding that sucks... HARD.

I played WoW for 10 years and never had latency issues this bad and I played it on potatoes at max settings, getting down to 2.4 FPS in boss fights.

Hmmm playing WoW is this before or after the touch up. I was a big fan of the older WoW the MMO killed it for me. Even after years of being pestered by friends to play with them, unless they need help I don't touch it. FFXI is still more interesting than WoW any day. As for frame rates and stutters, sorry to break it to you there are still things that can affect it. here are some examples;

Content are congestion; Eureka; Many people had issues here and your right I think they could have prepared better for it. On the other hand I really had no issues in terms of frame rate or frame rate stutter for two reasons.

First; I made sure my device was not running anything on the back ground to ensure non interruptions( updates ect ) and that my system was properly configured so it can handle it.

Second; I have a dedicated line for my gaming. In most cases people fail to see how sharing their line or using it on multiple devices can affect their experience.

Problems that I did notice; yes having a limit of 100 people per instance and locking it help tremendously. However do to the NM trains having close to 50+ people per train would cause issues. This is to be expected and simple knowledge on congestion. However on older content no issues...pretty self explanatory.

Gaming consoles vs PC's ; No surprise there third party networking and specs can vary by model.

So yes there are a few things that they have control over, however over all devices and services can vary based on various factors. Benchmark gives you a nice idea of what your system can handle.. too bad not many people realize how to use it properly.

Over all certain areas will not be affected as others. Over time issues dies down, they are address, and as I had mentioned are given updates in patch notes.

[Granyala]

There is nothing in the shop that you NEED to progress further in the game, that means there is nothing mandatory.

I would argue that more retainers, definitely cross the line, since it not only boils down to more inventory space but also into more ventures per hour.

That being said: it's a minor thing, as long as it stays that way I can ignore it.

Hmmm playing WoW is this before or after the touch up.

I played for 10 years, TBC to Legion (Legion only extremely casually, I was raid active from TBC till end of WOD).

Your question is irrelevant because I am talking systems level. WoW, even the old wow before they eliminated the 400ms position polling, runs circles around FF-XIV in terms of responsiveness to player input.

Also, I am not talking about extreme cases like Eureka. Lag is expected there and you will have lag in WoW too if you put that many people on say... OOOooondasta (my fav world boss ).

I am talking about 8 souls vs a savage raid boss.

[Wyvernheart]

What happened to the custom ui feature? Even xi had it.

[ManuelBravo]

I would argue that more retainers, definitely cross the line, since it not only boils down to more inventory space but also into more ventures per hour.

That being said: it's a minor thing, as long as it stays that way I can ignore it.

I played for 10 years, TBC to Legion (Legion only extremely casually, I was raid active from TBC till end of WOD).



Your question is irrelevant because I am talking systems level. WoW, even the old wow before they eliminated the 400ms position polling, runs circles around FF-XIV in terms of responsiveness to player input.

Also, I am not talking about extreme cases like Eureka. Lag is expected there and you will have lag in WoW too if you put that many people on say... OOOooondasta (my fav world boss ).

I am talking about 8 souls vs a savage raid boss.

Great job comparing games same here and that is irrelevant. Just like any other game congestion varies. Same effect leave it alone for a while then comeback. If your having issues on raids how often. When it resets or later on the week? When a resets guess what? congestion. Middle to end of week rare you will have issues. Try it makes a difference. Hardware wise in everyone's eye they have a very powerful gaming system. As I had mentioned before experience varies.

I went with the extreme to prove a point and only gave it as an example. Congestion varies. I'm in Balmung, enough said when it comes to congestion. Every area is different, player experience varies, that is reality. While we could go back and forth on these, lets just end it with a simple resolution. Not every player will have the same experience, things get address by how many people get impacted. Programs are unpredictable and will continue to happen.

On another note; just like in any other game cash shops are influence by players and that is were micro transactions come into play. All cash shops are optional and not required to either play the game or complete it.