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    I'm in favor of a fully open unmitigated parser and personally believe that it will be a considerable asset to the game, especially to PS4 players.

    Harassment can easily be fixed via reports, the same way it is now. People act as if being kicked or removed with no reason is somehow better than being told they aren't contributing enough?

    A personal parser is near useless because it offers very little context. So are grading systems. I don't want to know that a MNK was dead-weight at the end of the run. I want him to know it as early as possible so he has a chance to fix it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Clover_Blake View Post
    I used to play games where numbers dictated people's worth, and it wasn't pretty. The mere thought of dealing with that in FFXIV doesn't make me happy, so I'm glad that parse users aren't allowed to be vocal about their results.
    Let me ask you a question. Do you believe in accountability? As in, if you contribute considerably less than the sum of the total, is that ok?

    How about this - do you think it's ok to be active approx. 30% of a dungeon? Is that fair to other party members who may be trying harder?

    See - from my perspective a player who does the above 2 things is actually being toxic, not the player asking more of his teammates.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paladinleeds View Post
    Let's further escalate this. If you're performing below par (let's say contributing less than 90% of your max DPS on average over the course of an engagement), the game will automatically boot you from the duty.
    Here you go development team have a close look at the toxic nature of at least one of the proponents for official parsers. Play to the level they deem appropriate or get auto booted from duties. Got to love it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra View Post
    Here you go development team have a close look at the toxic nature of at least one of the proponents for official parsers. Play to the level they deem appropriate or get auto booted from duties. Got to love it.
    I guess this means you're okay with DPS that just auto-attack then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raldo View Post
    I guess this means you're okay with DPS that just auto-attack then.
    Oh, come on, someone that's worried about possible elitism from a parser doesn't mean they're also fine with DPS auto-attacking. It doesn't need to be that extreme.

    Why can't we just have a medium? Make a parser available, but if it becomes evident that people are using it to harass (kicking people who ARE doing fine but may not be up to the best of standards, kicking people that are contributing reasonably, etc) then they get in trouble.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elamys View Post
    Oh, come on, someone that's worried about possible elitism from a parser doesn't mean they're also fine with DPS auto-attacking. It doesn't need to be that extreme.
    Fair point, I read it backwards. I thought the poster was saying the equivalent of "less than 10%" (i.e. roughly the amount you do via auto-attacks; probably anyway, idk the game doesn't give me parser), not "less than 90%". A 90% threshold is indeed extreme.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KaldeaSahaline View Post
    How about this - do you think it's ok to be active approx. 30% of a dungeon? Is that fair to other party members who may be trying harder?
    I've been in many runs where not everyone does the same damage. Some people might have worse equip, some might be practicing a new class, some might just be having a bad day. And it's never mattered; the run is always completed all the same. Luckily, even if many people seem obsessed with numbers and stats, this game has never put much weight on competing to see who is doing the best damage, or in making people feel like rubbish if they don't meet whatever the community's new standard is. There are some DPS checks, sure, but they tend to be passed even if not everyone does super shiny damage.

    I'm talking about normal content, however. I understand that Savage/Extreme content is more for competitive players, so I guess I wouldn't complain if parses were allowed there. But I'm personally happy that such a system isn't implemented for everything else, as I don't want to be dragged into that kind of competition and pressure. I'm sure I'm not the only one who simply wants to enjoy the content and have fun.

    And just for the record, I always try to do my best when I DPS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clover_Blake View Post
    I've been in many runs where not everyone does the same damage. Some people might have worse equip, some might be practicing a new class, some might just be having a bad day. And it's never mattered; the run is always completed all the same. Luckily, even if many people seem obsessed with numbers and stats, this game has never put much weight on competing to see who is doing the best damage, or in making people feel like rubbish if they don't meet whatever the community's new standard is. There are some DPS checks, sure, but they tend to be passed even if not everyone does super shiny damage.

    I'm talking about normal content, however. I understand that Savage/Extreme content is more for competitive players, so I guess I wouldn't complain if parses were allowed there. But I'm personally happy that such a system isn't implemented for everything else, as I don't want to be dragged into that kind of competition and pressure. I'm sure I'm not the only one who simply wants to enjoy the content and have fun.

    And just for the record, I always try to do my best when I DPS.
    Yeah but for that normal comment, the overwhelming majority of the playerbase is going to be totally understanding if somebody just says "Hey I'm trying a new job." or they'll obviously understand if somebody is undergeared. Just like I said in my previous comment that you ignored, the existence of a parser is not going to create friction between party members where none would have existed before.

    The people that were going to cause trouble with the damage meter would have found a reason to do so anyway. They're just the kind of people that need to belittle others for their own benefit.
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