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    Quote Originally Posted by Genoreaper View Post
    We need sone positive community push on this subject, so if you're in agreement speak it here. The toxic naysayers have their own thread on the subject. Why not show our voice as well
    Yes, let's created 2 echo chambers where there is zero discussion on the matter. That's really a positive push for the community.

    /sarcasm off

    This reply is not really needed too improve your desire for a phraser. If you want a phraser, the *community* first must improve there behavior in high level duty's. So you can convince the developers in adding a phraser wont hurt the community much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShadowHunterrX View Post
    Yes, let's created 2 echo chambers where there is zero discussion on the matter. That's really a positive push for the community.

    /sarcasm off

    This reply is not really needed too improve your desire for a phraser. If you want a phraser, the *community* first must improve there behavior in high level duty's. So you can convince the developers in adding a phraser wont hurt the community much.
    Alright, now you've invited the burden of proof ShadowhunterrX if that's your real name. Go ahead, show me proof of the community and "there" behavior in high level "duty's". Show me, show me what you got! I want to see what you got! You know, those parsers that we've had since ARR because people used them to figure out the ideal rotations and openers for jobs and to measure themselves in content like Coil. Those parsers that already exist and by not adding official support only isolates PS4 players and those who don't know how to setup ACT on PC as second-class citizens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShadowHunterrX View Post
    Yes, let's created 2 echo chambers where there is zero discussion on the matter. That's really a positive push for the community.

    /sarcasm off

    This reply is not really needed too improve your desire for a phraser. If you want a phraser, the *community* first must improve there behavior in high level duty's. So you can convince the developers in adding a phraser wont hurt the community much.
    Its true that the community has to improve their behaviour, but its not the people who do their best and even try to help people who play their classes wrong. Its the players who have this attitude that they pay a sub and can play how they want (which are also called the bad players), thats absolutly rude and shows that they don't have any respect for their teammembers. Honestly i've never seen anyone who flamed someone for low dps in savage or ex primals. Players will simply be kicked which is completly ok because you can't force someone to play with someone whose playstyle is completly different, aka. the one who wants to get carried.
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    Good talk, all. Glad we had it.
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    Player ShadowHunterrX's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultima View Post
    Alright, now you've invited the burden of proof ShadowhunterrX if that's your real name. Go ahead, show me proof of the community and "there" behavior in high level "duty's". Show me, show me what you got! I want to see what you got! You know, those parsers that we've had since ARR because people used them to figure out the ideal rotations and openers for jobs and to measure themselves in content like Coil. Those parsers that already exist and by not adding official support only isolates PS4 players and those who don't know how to setup ACT on PC as second-class citizens.
    Your reply is proof enough. You are reply in such attacking manner for no reason, only to defend your opinion on phraser for no reason. You clearly dont understand want I mean. People are the problem, not the phraser. A person with tunnel vision wont be saved with a phraser for example.

    I am not against it all. I would love to crush ego players who think they are good with proof. But I also see the reason why they wont add it.

    But anyway proof of bad behavior is a double edge sword. I can make story's up with vage details. But I guess people raging and pointing fingers in clearly party's after one wipe is something everybody has exp by this time.

    If I remember correct. There was a JP streamer sponsored by SE belittle in the stream for being bad. As revanche many people did go to there FC house in Roe underwear.
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    That event is all the reason Yoshi-P will ever need to say no in his eyes. While I agree that misuse is not a common occurrence, negative experiences tend to overshadow the positive ones. Unless we get a new director I highly doubt we will ever get an official parser. The man has shown his heels a are dug in quite deep.

    While this community is rather tame compared to other games our developers tend to go with knee jerk reactions. I mean do you honestly expect them to add an official parser when they removed the chat function from feast? People are still toxic in feast they mark others with ignore, spam good job at the start. Their fix did nothing but in the eyes of SE it did lessen the issue.
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    They said they are against it and the reason is toxicity but there are people who are even toxic in sastasha so i won't believe it will make non-toxic players toxic. A toxic player will always be toxic nonetheless and they probably already use outside parsers. But ofc, SE thinks we should play casually always. That's why everything is easy now.
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    I for one dislike this idea, as it's a good tool for toxic behaviour and elitism. So long as it remains illegal, at least people are more careful when it comes to harassing others about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clover_Blake View Post
    I for one dislike this idea, as it's a good tool for toxic behaviour and elitism. So long as it remains illegal, at least people are more careful when it comes to harassing others about it.
    Care to offer any arguments or reasoning to prove this? Because, they've been around since the beginning and there's been no real storm of toxicity, but they're used by the majority of people at the endgame level or they have benefited from their existence by way of Openers and Rotations that were theorycrafted by said Parser data.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultima View Post
    Care to offer any arguments or reasoning to prove this? Because, they've been around since the beginning and there's been no real storm of toxicity, but they're used by the majority of people at the endgame level or they have benefited from their existence by way of Openers and Rotations that were theorycrafted by said Parser data.
    Thing is no matter how much the community cries for change for certain things Yoshi-P has shown to be extremely stubborn when it comes things he personally perceives as having a negative impact on the game and or community. PvP community has fought for ages for us to get our voice back in feast, still nothing. For Yosihi-P the Koike incident will be all the evidence, argument and or reasoning he will ever need to say no to an official parser.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ultima View Post
    Care to offer any arguments or reasoning to prove this? Because, they've been around since the beginning and there's been no real storm of toxicity, but they're used by the majority of people at the endgame level or they have benefited from their existence by way of Openers and Rotations that were theorycrafted by said Parser data.
    "So long as it remains illegal, at least people are more careful when it comes to harassing others about it".
    Of course there hasn't been any storm of toxicity, people would risk being reported for using a parse if they were to be vocal about the results. This way, it remains a tool for true personal use; you check your damage output if you wish so, while at the same time you leave the rest of the world in peace.

    I used to play games where numbers dictated people's worth, and it wasn't pretty. The mere thought of dealing with that in FFXIV doesn't make me happy, so I'm glad that parse users aren't allowed to be vocal about their results.
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