We need another Housing purge

[Freyt]

The the thing is we've been told repeatedly that should we desire a change on SE's end, we should make a fuss about it here on the forum. This is why multiple threads have lasted for a year or longer, such as the Viera race thread or the Nier Automata costume thread.

In some cases, the loud mouths of the player base have brought about change, such as the additional housing wards beyond the scope of Shirogane.

Players who are dissatisfied should speak up, regardless of what is or isn't against the rules. However the rules themselves are also up for discussion.

[Awha]

The the thing is we've been told repeatedly that should we desire a change on SE's end, we should make a fuss about it here on the forum. This is why multiple threads have lasted for a year or longer, such as the Viera race thread or the Nier Automata costume thread.

In some cases, the loud mouths of the player base have brought about change, such as the additional housing wards beyond the scope of Shirogane.

Players who are dissatisfied should speak up, regardless of what is or isn't against the rules. However the rules themselves are also up for discussion.

Do not think anyone is against bringing up issues with the current system or the rules. Issue lies with those who also want SE to punish players retroactively for policies and or rules that may or may not exist within the current frame work that have no history of being enforced.

[Freyt]

Do not think anyone is against bringing up issues with the current system or the rules. Issue lies with those who also want SE to punish players retroactively for policies and or rules that may or may not exist within the current frame work that have no history of being enforced.

I don't think the goal here for anyone is punishment, though what you consider to be punishment may be someone else's goal. It's simply a guess, but I imagine most players consider it "correct" for a single player not to have multiple houses. For some of these players, it would be "correct" for SE to take away those additional houses. This is not a punishment, but a correction in what is currently incorrect, and has nothing to do with the player themselves that is responsible in some way for this incorrect situation.

I think many would be fine for a player that is behaving "incorrectly" to simply be corrected, and not banned or punished otherwise.

Many are posing their own form of correction disregarding the player, to remove the incentive for a player to perform in that incorrect manner, rather than to simply "police" the behavior. I think flaws and merits can be seen in both corrections, and perhaps they can be used together in some capacity.

This thread didn't start out about any specific player. It took specific player(s) themselves to make it about themselves for discussions about those specific player(s) to arise. At the end of the day no one cares what strangers are punished or not, only that justice and truth prevail, and that all systems are running smoothly.

[HyoMinPark]

In some cases, the loud mouths of the player base have brought about change, such as the additional housing wards beyond the scope of Shirogane.

The developers listened there because of the sheer amount of outrage from all three regions—the key to getting SE to listen seems to be getting the JP forums to take up arms against something. They don’t ever seem to listen if the complaints are limited to just NA or EU.

[Freyt]

The developers listened there because of the sheer amount of outrage from all three regions—the key to getting SE to listen seems to be getting the JP forums to take up arms against something. They don’t ever seem to listen if the complaints are limited to just NA or EU.

Whether that is true or not, while I share your frustration, we surely have an even lesser voice if we were to keep our voices to ourselves.

[HyoMinPark]

Whether that is true or not, while I share your frustration, we surely have an even lesser voice if we were to keep our voices to ourselves.

Given SE’s history with responding to complaints only after they come up on the JP side, it seems pretty true to me. This thread isn’t so much trying to voice frustrations with the way housing is currently, though, as it is people bickering at one individual, back and forth, about 2.1 and the like. Definitely not the way to get any developer’s attention.

[Hamada]

That suggests to me they don't have a problem with any of this.

Your logic falls short because:

The developers listened there because of the sheer amount of outrage from all three regions—the key to getting SE to listen seems to be getting the JP forums to take up arms against something. They don’t ever seem to listen if the complaints are limited to just NA or EU.

You are combing 2 different issues here. SE does not listen to NA. There is a poster here bragging about breaking the rules and what they did to exploit the rules but SE does nothing not because SE thinks it is ok, but because SE ignores the NA player base. Why are they ignoring this? Because they do not understand this is an issue because it does not happen with the Japanese player base. If this person did the same thing on the Japanese forums, how much you want to bet they would be suspended instantly? I do not want to hear anyone claim I am on a "witch hunt" the person here put themselves in this situation all on their own to show off.

[Kittypryde]

Nah, you want to make housing a proper gil sink, add maintenance costs... say 2m a week for a small, 20m a week for a medium, 200m a week for a large. These must be paid within 24 hours of being due or the house is relinquished. Then you have housing as a meaty gil sink. Apartments would have a 200k a week maintenance cost.

LOL that is the most bizarre thing I've ever heard on these forums, or Reddit forums. 200m maintenance a week? Now you are just trolling. Even the most hardcore FCS with 500+ members couldn't maintain that maintenance fee.
The entry fee of a house is simply way too cheap. Let's say that new Ferrari cars were limited to 5000 total, and ALSO had prices drop to $25k each. What would happen? Everyone who thought a Ferrari was out of their reach, can all of a sudden afford, and all 5000 of them would sell out. You would then have millions of angry people. Ferraris NEED to stay 150-300k+up. They aren't a God given right for everyone to be entitled to. Exact same as housing.

[Skivvy]

LOL that is the most bizarre thing I've ever heard on these forums, or Reddit forums. 200m maintenance a week? Now you are just trolling. Even the most hardcore FCS with 500+ members couldn't maintain that maintenance fee.
The entry fee of a house is simply way too cheap. Let's say that new Ferrari cars were limited to 5000 total, and ALSO had prices drop to $25k each. What would happen? Everyone who thought a Ferrari was out of their reach, can all of a sudden afford, and all 5000 of them would sell out. You would then have millions of angry people. Ferraris NEED to stay 150-300k+up. They aren't a God given right for everyone to be entitled to. Exact same as housing.

Why shouldnt every player have access to a house? We all pay a subscription for this theme park, and yet a majority of the players are blocked from enjoying one of the biggest rides. Even their ancient predecessor managed to give its housing to ALL characters. This is not a competitive game, and there is no reason for housing to be handled in this way - especially considering this is a subscription game.

Stop excusing SE for making a horrible housing system.

[Paladinleeds]

Now you are just trolling.

Nope. You can think I'm trolling, but I'm deadly serious with the idea of maintainance fees with regards to making housing a gil sink (what you were suggesting). The numbers I pulled up were arbitrary and came up with the numbers I did on the spot. I may have overshot the amount required, but I assure you I'm not trolling. And for the Ferrari thing, at least in the UK, the insurance is also much higher on sports cars in the UK, as is road tax, etc. So higher maintainance costs also apply there. Thus lending extra credence to the idea I suggested. With adjusted numbers and/or timeframes (so they're more accessible), would you still call me a troll, or would you be more willing to entertain the idea?