We need another Housing purge

[Alleo]

Thank you.

@Alleo that is the difference, SE came out and made a statement regarding it. The housing aspect is 100% a loophole in their rules, one that was pointed out by the community and was ignored by SE.

At least the selling/buying houses is against the ToS and Yoshida had already made two statements about this. And they also put that one rule in it (even if it was seemingly just temporary) that allowed only one FC and private per world. Which kinda hints that they dont want people to own multiple houses. But maybe the GMs read this thread and will give information to the JP branch. Because using a loophole does not make it right.

[Hamada]

At least the selling/buying houses is against the ToS and Yoshida had already made two statements about this. And they also put that one rule in it (even if it was seemingly just temporary) that allowed only one FC and private per world. Which kinda hints that they dont want people to own multiple houses. But maybe the GMs read this thread and will give information to the JP branch. Because using a loophole does not make it right.

I would not bother anymore, they made it clear if SE does not baby the playerbase, it is ok to exploit rules and find loopholes despite there being a 2.1 rule in the ToS agreement. This was not the only hypocritical mindset floating around, mind you:

Damn, he still doesn't get it.

Did you just assume my gender?

I found that pretty insulting tbh.

[OliverB]

At least the selling/buying houses is against the ToS and Yoshida had already made two statements about this. And they also put that one rule in it (even if it was seemingly just temporary) that allowed only one FC and private per world. Which kinda hints that they dont want people to own multiple houses. But maybe the GMs read this thread and will give information to the JP branch. Because using a loophole does not make it right.

Tell me why SE would care about what goes on between two happy customers? Your statement about SE not wanting people to own multiple FC houses is very weak considering they decided to remove that rule the moment it became open season for plots after those two weeks.

[Nixxe]

Exploiting the game is not limited to "result of improperly functioning game code"

Not when you equivocate.

[Rogatum]

I would not bother anymore, they made it clear if SE does not baby the playerbase, it is ok to exploit rules and find loopholes despite there being a 2.1 rule in the ToS agreement.

At least the selling/buying houses is against the ToS and Yoshida had already made two statements about this. And they also put that one rule in it (even if it was seemingly just temporary) that allowed only one FC and private per world. Which kinda hints that they dont want people to own multiple houses. But maybe the GMs read this thread and will give information to the JP branch. Because using a loophole does not make it right.

Have not been around long has SE ever enforced the no selling / buying houses rule? I mean they have an entire sub reddit with the sole purpose of buying and selling houses. SE must know that this is a thing, if they do why not do a better job enforcing their policies?

You do know cursing is against the ToS also right? Should we have GM look over all the chat logs and punish players that have cursed in the past? It seems as if you like to take the moral high ground, but I hate to break it to you, it is not the job of the player base to enforce the rules that is solely on SE. If they do not enforce the rules people will break them since it shows they do not care. We have many players that break rules daily, usage of ACT, cosmetic mods, names, cursing and the list goes on. Why are you picking and choosing which rules SE should enforce? If you really view you have the moral high ground why not make a thread asking for SE to enforce every aspect of the ToS no matter how small, it seems you are going after the housing aspect because it personally has an affect on you not because you think it is just. That seems more hypocritical, since at the very least those you are fighting with are not claiming a moral position on the matter. They admitted to doing it because they can/wanted to. Last part is aimed towards Hamada. Serious question Hamada do you report every player you see that uses profanity? If so you must be the life of the party.

Also at the core this is far from an exploiting. They are working within the frame work that SE provided. If it really bothered SE they would have done something, since SE is quick to act / fix issues that they truly see as game breaking or harmful to the community.

[Usho]

33 pages of drama....I don't got enough popcorn to read all of that guys. -_-






/2 cent popcorn

[Alleo]

Have not been around long has SE ever enforced the no selling / buying houses rule? I mean they have an entire sub reddit with the sole purpose of buying and selling houses. SE must know that this is a thing, if they do why not do a better job enforcing their policies?

You do know cursing is against the ToS also right? Should we have GM look over all the chat logs and punish players that have cursed in the past?

Moral High ground? For being against something that hurts other players?

At least Yoshida has stated that he does not want it and seemingly this is completely in the hand of the GMs. In the end they probably wont do much against sources outside of the game but who knows how they do that ingame. About cursing: You do know that people have been banned from the forums and even got punishment ingame if someone reported them even if they meant the cursing as fun? GM will do something when someone reports the person.

I pick this because unlike cursing (we have a filter) which is still punished if told, parser and cosmedic mods, buying x amount of houses hurts players because its a limited resource. Also yes its not our job and we cant enforce it..but bringing this to the attention of SE can be done. Alot of those that have big amount of houses also often brought the attention to themselves, either by behaving badly ingame, by forum posting or by giving interviews. They then should accept if they get negative feedback about this.

If you know I am also someone that is against selling content for real money, using exploids in content and I want SE to have a clear stand with their ToS (dont punish people for talking about numbers thanks to parser but turn a blind eye on streamers with it). I am going after the housing aspect because its the topic. Its that simple. If there is another topic (which did happen in the past) that is against the ToS and even hurt players, I am posting my opinion too.

Everyone has their own line where its crossed. For some its already cursing, for others its housing, for another person its bug exploiding and someone hates them all. And all of them are in their right if its against the ToS. If you are in the end fine that someone has over 16 houses in a game that has limited amounts of them, then thats fine. Others dont need to accept it and can post their opinion about it.

[Tiaque]

You all sure do complain alot and take little to no action.

You realize how the GMs and Mods on both forums and ingame works yes? They been like this since FFXI, and other mmo companies enforce the same rules too.

Basically what I am saying is, if you dont like how Oliver, boliver, kittynomates, whatever, and any other players "Exploited" the system, *When in reality they were just grandfathered in* then instead of screamin about it on here, take action, and organize on reddit, or some forum, or create a temporary linkshell ingame called "Homeless People Unite" or whatever, and setup exact times to report these players who are being "Unfair" to have a mass amount of players, in said LS to report the player at this or that time, and repeat it every couple hours.

GMs will see it, they will then go into Panic mode, and the Lead GM will make a decision asking himself "What will be best for the community?" "Should we make an example of this player and forcibly take all but one house from him?" "Tell him he has 1 week to decide which personal and FC house he wishes to keep among it all?" "Upset hundreds of players and ignore it? The player did nothing wrong?" etc, etc.

So either do that, or ignore me, or make some excuse going along the lines of "Blah blah it wont work blah blah" "You think we havent tried it before?" *Yes, you have not tried it before* "Id rather just complain about it, organizing stuff is too hard" or "SE should handle it and do the right thing, its their game" and whatever else.

I suggest taking action, and doing what I advise, because it has worked in the past, in SE mmos, and other mmos, and I seen it happen. Since Everquest, if the community makes a big enough outcry and send alot of petitions, emails, ingame GM requests, and do it in a coordinated fashion, things get changed.

But knowing this forum, most of you will just go "Meh" then do /shrug, then do /doze, then do /ponder, then do "Meh" then go "Waste of time, nothing will happen, lets continue screaming about it on the forums so I can feel better"

/golfclap

[Usho]

You all sure do complain alot and take little to no action.

I'd say you complain alot because you complain about them complaining.

lets continue screaming about it on the forums so I can feel better

Gotta vent somewhere about the game. Do you have Yoshi-Pee's cell number? Give us that, then the players can complain to him instead of the forums.





/shrug





/2 cents

[OliverB]

Inb4 you get a bunch of people suspended for abusing the report system