We need another Housing purge

[sexythaumaturge]

It's surprising how that Oliver person has the exact same attitude, and responses when called out, as your typical money-grubbing politician/corporation. Watching real-world human behavioral patterns unfold in the MMO space never gets old.

[illgot]

It's surprising how that Oliver person has the exact same attitude, and responses when called out, as your typical money-grubbing politician/corporation. Watching real-world human behavioral patterns unfold in the MMO space never gets old.

What's funny is one player is blaming another player for staying with in the rules of the game instead of trying to discuss how to make owning multiple FCs obsolete... almost as if they don't understand the actual issue with the housing and FC system.

SE messed up by first making houses a non instanced feature. Then they doubled down on that first mistake by making houses a requirement for accessing features in the game. Then they kept adding to the problems by creating bandaid changes that didn't fix the core issue.

[Alleo]

What I am getting at is SE had a chance to do something about this they refused to listen and choose to ignore the player feedback regarding the changes. Look back most people said the changes would not stop selling of houses since all people would have to do is sell the FC, instead of the plot.

So if people find "clever" ways to exploid a system they should be praised? I mean if that is the case, why are people that are finding bugs/exploids like Ungarmax then punished? Its not the players fault that there was no restriction to the LB of the squadron outside of their missions, so the players were totally awesome to find and use that exploid, right?

An exploid is a exploid. (And lets not forget that the person in question, also wants to buy houses and if that one reddit thread is true, also tries to sell houses for over the top prices. That is 100% not a loop hole, but something that goes against Yoshidas wishes himself and the only reason they could still even sell the house right now, is with FC transfer, thus again, they use an exploid to the system to do something that is against the ToS. )

[illgot]

So if people find "clever" ways to exploid a system they should be praised? I mean if that is the case, why are people that are finding bugs/exploids like Ungarmax then punished? Its not the players fault that there was no restriction to the LB of the squadron outside of their missions, so the players were totally awesome to find and use that exploid, right?

An exploid is a exploid. (And lets not forget that the person in question, also wants to buy houses and if that one reddit thread is true, also tries to sell houses for over the top prices. That is 100% not a loop hole, but something that goes against Yoshidas wishes himself and the only reason they could still even sell the house right now, is with FC transfer, thus again, they use an exploid to the system to do something that is against the ToS. )

Probably because SE came out and told players not to exploit the LB and there was a fix coming soon.

While on the subject of housing they have proven numerous times they grandfather people of multiple houses into the new system.

[Awha]

Probably because SE came out and told players not to exploit the LB and there was a fix coming soon.

While on the subject of housing they have proven numerous times they grandfather people of multiple houses into the new system.

Thank you.

@Alleo that is the difference, SE came out and made a statement regarding it. The housing aspect is 100% a loophole in their rules, one that was pointed out by the community and was ignored by SE.

[Hamada]

So if people find "clever" ways to exploid a system they should be praised? I mean if that is the case, why are people that are finding bugs/exploids like Ungarmax then punished? Its not the players fault that there was no restriction to the LB of the squadron outside of their missions, so the players were totally awesome to find and use that exploid, right?

An exploid is a exploid. (And lets not forget that the person in question, also wants to buy houses and if that one reddit thread is true, also tries to sell houses for over the top prices. That is 100% not a loop hole, but something that goes against Yoshidas wishes himself and the only reason they could still even sell the house right now, is with FC transfer, thus again, they use an exploid to the system to do something that is against the ToS. )

The person you are talking to is only saying what they are saying because they likely exploited housing themselves and are here to defend
people exploiting the rules because it is likely they did as well to get their 5 houses. I really do not know though, they might not done nothing wrong and just confused what is being talked about. All they stated was having 5 houses, that is not enough to say anything, but just questionable now when they are scrambling to defend people exploiting the rules. It is either that or they are greatly misunderstanding what is going on, and I got no idea how that is after repeating myself 5 times or more. I mean I addressed that very line when I said "If SE wanted people to do this, they would not make the limitation in the first place, ONE FC HOUSE PER ACCOUNT! Just because they did not baby you, does not mean " so at that point it is safe the assume that they have no issue with it" You are just trying to find excuses for people breaking the rules and yes people need to be punished for breaking the rules. You are right, the company should enforce the rules, that is what I am asking for in this thread, seeing someone openly admitted to breaking them."

So SE makes a rule, people tell SE about the exploit, so SE does nothing to close the exploit (maybe they can't or did not expect people go as far as they did?) So that makes it magically ok to break the rules?

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...13#post4611113
I mean how long will it take now for SE say something on people exploiting housing?

[Awha]

The person you are talking to is only saying what they are saying because they likely exploited housing themselves and are here to defend
people exploiting the rules because it is likely they did as well to get their 5 houses. I really do not know though, they might not done nothing wrong and just confused what is being talked about. All they stated was having 5 houses, that is not enough to say anything, but just questionable now when they are scrambling to defend people exploiting the rules. It is either that or they are greatly misunderstanding what is going on, and I got no idea how that is after repeating myself 5 times or more. I mean I addressed that very line when I said "If SE wanted people to do this, they would not make the limitation in the first place, ONE FC HOUSE PER ACCOUNT! Just because they did not baby you, does not mean " so at that point it is safe the assume that they have no issue with it" You are just trying to find excuses for people breaking the rules and yes people need to be punished for breaking the rules. You are right, the company should enforce the rules, that is what I am asking for in this thread, seeing someone openly admitted to breaking them."

So SE makes a rule, people tell SE about the exploit, so SE does nothing to close the exploit (maybe they can't or did not expect people go as far as they did?) So that makes it magically ok to break the rules?

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...13#post4611113
I mean how long will it take now for SE say something on people exploiting housing?

I was grandfathered into the new system since I carried over my plots from the old rule set. Though I was one of the many people that told SE that their new rule set does very little to curb flipping market since they would simply sell the whole FC instead of the plot. Overall yes SE needs to baby the us, if they do not want something done they should act on it swiftly and make a clear statement on their stance on the matter. If not they leave things open to interpretation. One would think with the previous issue with plots SE would learn that they have to be crystal clear with their rules. Before we had two people owning an entire ward, or an entire sub reddit meant to buy and sell houses. Are you really going to tell me SE did not know players would go that far to extra plots?

Also if we are going solely based off rule breaks, well GG no RE for those that use abusive language and profanity is against the ToS you are so fond of right. So action should retroactively be taken towards every player that has ever used abusive language or profanity. At the core you are asking players to police themselves in a video game, you certainly have more faith in gamers than I do.

Overall I hope SE does not put much man power into this issue since any fix would simply be a band-aid, I would much rather they focus on offering a more permanent solution like expandable apartments with access to proper gardening plots and use of workshops.

[Redname]

My god. How can people be so obtused?
There is clearly a problem if a person or a group have like 8 houses while some people cant buy cause there arent available plots.
And no, the semantics of the rules doesnt matter, they find always a way to circumvet them.
Thats only selfishness. If you have more than one house you are being selfish, doesnt matter how much effort you need to maintain it.
The people who so vehemently defend the current situation probably have more than one house. Cause this is ridiculous and has no justification whatsoever.

[Nixxe]

The person you are talking to is only saying what they are saying because they likely exploited housing themselves and are here to defend
people exploiting the rules because it is likely they did as well to get their 5 houses. I really do not know though, they might not done nothing wrong and just confused what is being talked about. All they stated was having 5 houses, that is not enough to say anything, but just questionable now when they are scrambling to defend people exploiting the rules. It is either that or they are greatly misunderstanding what is going on, and I got no idea how that is after repeating myself 5 times or more. I mean I addressed that very line when I said "If SE wanted people to do this, they would not make the limitation in the first place, ONE FC HOUSE PER ACCOUNT! Just because they did not baby you, does not mean " so at that point it is safe the assume that they have no issue with it" You are just trying to find excuses for people breaking the rules and yes people need to be punished for breaking the rules. You are right, the company should enforce the rules, that is what I am asking for in this thread, seeing someone openly admitted to breaking them."

So SE makes a rule, people tell SE about the exploit, so SE does nothing to close the exploit (maybe they can't or did not expect people go as far as they did?) So that makes it magically ok to break the rules?

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...13#post4611113
I mean how long will it take now for SE say something on people exploiting housing?

If I understand what you're talking about, it's not an exploit. In the context of a video game, an exploit is something that is not functioning properly due to a problem with the code causing performance that deviates from the developer's expectations and which allows players to take advantage of it for their own personal gain. In contrast, a "creative use of game mechanics" refers to when players find a use that is outside the scope of the developer's intentions for a correctly functioning game element that allows them to take advantage of it. SE deliberately implemented the timer and also deliberately didn't apply it to FCs. Likewise, they did not make any attempt to actually prevent players from having multiple FCs on a single realm, other than likely assuming it'd be too prohibitively laborious to be a real problem. SE can decide the action is unacceptable in any case, but let's try to avoid carelessly applying inaccurate labels just because they sound nastier.

[Awha]

My god. How can people be so obtused?
There is clearly a problem if a person or a group have like 8 houses while some people cant buy cause there arent available plots.
And no, the semantics of the rules doesnt matter, they find always a way to circumvet them.
Thats only selfishness. If you have more than one house you are being selfish, doesnt matter how much effort you need to maintain it.
The people who so vehemently defend the current situation probably have more than one house. Cause this is ridiculous and has no justification whatsoever.

What can they do though regarding all the players that have multiple plots, they already grandfathered players from one system so it stands to reason they will do so again. It is a noble fight, but I do think players effort would be best spent getting SE to change the entire system behind asking them to keep doing band-aid fixes.

If I understand what you're talking about, it's not an exploit. In the context of a video game, an exploit is something that is not functioning properly due to a problem with the code causing performance that deviates from the developer's expectations and which allows players to take advantage of it for their own personal gain. In contrast, a "creative use of game mechanics" refers to when players find a use that is outside the scope of the developer's intentions for a correctly functioning game element that allows them to take advantage of it. SE deliberately implemented the timer and also deliberately didn't apply it to FCs. Likewise, they did not make any attempt to actually prevent players from having multiple FCs on a single realm, other than likely assuming it'd be too prohibitively laborious to be a real problem. SE can decide the action is unacceptable in any case, but let's try to avoid carelessly applying inaccurate labels just because they sound nastier.

I am all for them changing the policy to deal with the loophole, but yeah it is a stretch to call it an exploit, but I do think the main reason people lump them together is based around the "advantage" it carries.