We need another Housing purge

[Hamada]

You do know you can create an FC by starting it, recruiting one person, then having that one person recruit two of your own alts right?

Or if you have more than one service account, you can recruit your own character from service account 2, then have service account two character recruit two more characters from service account one?

That has never been an exploit or against any rules.

They flat out said their FC is 7 members though. Yes you are right, it is not an exploit in normal circumstances. I would argue it would be exploiting the system for the intent of buying 16 free company houses when they really should have 2, I point back to this quote:

You'd think this person has never heard of "just because you can doesn't mean you should." I find it absolutely amazing how shamelessly some people wear their greed like a badge of honor, and seem to expect praise for being the most clever little child in the sandbox.

Even if that specific thing is not, they still flat out admitted to buying houses for a large amount of gil, SE made a statement that they do not stand by it, and they bought new houses when the new wards opened up (they admitted only having 9 at the time) You can't tell me all 9 new houses was legitimate esp when they explained they needed to account transfer to get around that limitation during those 2 weeks.

[illgot]

They flat out said their FC is 7 members though. Yes you are right, it is not an exploit in normal circumstances. I would argue it would be exploiting the system for the intent of buying 16 free company houses when they really should have 2, I point back to this quote:



Even if that specific thing is not, they still flat out admitted to buying houses for a large amount of gil, SE made a statement that they do not stand by it, and they bought new houses when the new wards opened up (they admitted only having 9 at the time) You can't tell me all 9 new houses was legitimate esp when they explained they needed to account transfer to get around that limitation during those 2 weeks.

It is not an exploit against the TOS under any circumstances. Trying to turn the basic process of FC creation into a violation of the TOS because you do not like what a person did with their FC is frivolous.

How would you actually fix the housing situation? Other than going through and taking houses away from people, which will never happen, how do you actually suggest fixing the housing issue?

Do you even understand the problem with housing or have a suggestion on how to fix it, or are you just here to lay blame and stay entertained by the drama?

Here is one of the issues I see. You actually think SE is going to take houses away from players like OliverB. They aren't. SE has already proven countless times they grandfather people like OliverB into any new system they create. The drama is pointless. It will do nothing to solve the issue.

Try and focus on the topic of housing, what problems housing is currently causing, and how to fix those issues. Just running around yelling about someone owning 16 houses will do as much as when people found out 2 players owned a whole district... which was absolutely nothing.

[Musashidon]

He also said that they wouldn't stoop to tactics such as requiring an active sub in order to retain a house, but alas, we all know how that went. Things change, and overhauls are possible. Perhaps unlikely, but not everything is set in stone.

i will say the change wasn't some scummy stance to get more money players begged SE to take housing from players who quit so the demolish timer was made.

it put it in the same category as the orginal 2.1 warrior change where their stance was *you are playing the job wrong* but since everyone shunned warriors from all content was forced to change it.

if enough people want something SE will change their stance on things (not 100% aka parsers has a large group supporting it but they havent budged)

[OliverB]

We can keep going back and forth all you like, and I can say the same thing. How many times do I have to say it? You only had ONE reason to explain that you needed to transfer account 3 owning the fc, to account 2, and that is because you did that while the restriction was in place. I am also sure you did the house converting from personal to FC during that 2 week window as well. As I explained before, doing what you did on a high pop server, in recent times, again this is implied by your posts, when you explained you had 9 when the new wards opened, was done during that 2 week period because you had some protection of losing the plot to someone else. Even on my sever housing interest died after first few hours because it was FC only, doing that during those 2 weeks is the only way to make sense with what you did. The only way to pull that off after the 2 weeks would be repeated plot moving to block new players when it opened to personals, and again that is also a violation of disruption.

There is no "conspiracy theory" if you willingly explained everything???????????

Also by your very own words "the minimum FC rank, 4 players in the FC at the time of purchase" having 7 people in your fc, you had to do other work arounds to get past 2 FCs, that is another exploitation of the rules.


Hey alleo they where cheering you on, did you know that? but it was done in the past:





Exactly. You think with all the posting and in game violations SE would do something, lol. (for those that do not know, for forum tos "posting to have a negative impact on the community" is a forum violation.)

Please explain why converting personal houses during those two weeks would have been a wise move, because it's really not. I've already explained how I didn't have a bunch of houseless FCs around during that time and ressources to "craft" a rank 6 FC were inexistent due to the demand. Also, as explained, there was about 2000 new plots available. There was at least 1000 houses left by the time those two weeks were over. Once again, why would I convert personal houses when there was 0 competition for houses in my ward aside from beachfront smalls, which I secured two out of three, mediums, which I also managed to secure two and the larges, which I had no interest in. The truth is that you have no idea what has/is going on.

I said I bought already existing FC houses during those weeks. Grandfathered houses that didn't fall under the temporary restrictions.

If you would actually pay attention to what's being said, you would know that I was talking about my main FC. And it wasn't the total amount of members, someone asked how many active members it had. I have over 20 characters. I have friends. Yes shocking, I know. The 4 members requirement is only for purchase. That's it. Just like having a light party when making items in an FC workshop, it's temporary.

[NotOliverB]

Just running around yelling about someone owning 16 houses will do as much as when people found out 2 players owned a whole district... which was absolutely nothing.

Well as of today, I'm at 22. Just to clarify.

[Lambdafish]

I think we need to let this thread die. OliverB has clearly shown the cracks in the housing system, whether it's against the ToS or not. The behaviour here on a community level is unacceptable, and the developers need to really tighten up the rules on house ownership and maybe adjust other things such as apartments and tenant systems to compensate.

Either way, continuing the thread will only encourage what is turning into a really sad power trip.

[Hamada]

I think we need to let this thread die. OliverB has clearly shown the cracks in the housing system, whether it's against the ToS or not. The behaviour here on a community level is unacceptable, and the developers need to really tighten up the rules on house ownership and maybe adjust other things such as apartments and tenant systems to compensate.

Either way, continuing the thread will only encourage what is turning into a really sad power trip.

Well ya, esp with that last post they are only here to make people mad and show off. I am sure they posted here just to go "I bought 22 houses, bypassed a restriction, locked out people of buying plots to bide time to rank up FCs to rank 6, admitted to buying a house for 100M, and SE still will not touch me because it is not against the rules"

[Cylla]

I think we need to let this thread die. OliverB has clearly shown the cracks in the housing system, whether it's against the ToS or not. The behaviour here on a community level is unacceptable, and the developers need to really tighten up the rules on house ownership and maybe adjust other things such as apartments and tenant systems to compensate.

Either way, continuing the thread will only encourage what is turning into a really sad power trip.

Agreed. Actually getting tired of seeing posts from Oliver gloating about how she's abusing the system and owning 22 houses. Against ToS or not, it toxic behavior and it sick that SE even allows this to just slip through even though countless times now she's admitted to buying houses and the likes. Grandfathered in or not, when a player admitting they did shit against the ToS now or even in the past, they should be punished.

It all good. SE, keep on turning your backs on the honest player base and allowing toxic players like this bring down the community.
Hopefully at some point another game company will step up and make a better MMO where it system ain't pure crap and cater to toxic players. That will be the day (if not sooner) that SE loses my money. They can take my house away and put it where the sun don't shine.

[OliverB]

Well ya, esp with that last post they are only here to make people mad and show off. I am sure they posted here just to go "I bought 22 houses, bypassed a restriction, locked out people of buying plots to bide time to rank up FCs to rank 6, admitted to buying a house for 100M, and SE still will not touch me because it is not against the rules"

I knew you had no idea what you were talking about, thanks for admitting that.

[Hamada]

Agreed. Actually getting tired of seeing posts from Oliver gloating about how she's abusing the system and owning 22 houses. Against ToS or not, it toxic behavior and it sick that SE even allows this to just slip through even though countless times now she's admitted to buying houses and the likes. Grandfathered in or not, when a player admitting they did shit against the ToS now or even in the past, they should be punished.

It all good. SE, keep on turning your backs on the honest player base and allowing toxic players like this bring down the community.
Hopefully at some point another game company will step up and make a better MMO where it system ain't pure crap and cater to toxic players. That will be the day (if not sooner) that SE loses my money. They can take my house away and put it where the sun don't shine.

Well they are removing posts here consistently, sometimes split seconds after the posts are made.... and yet nothing goes said about this situation. I am in the same boat though, this situation does not speak well me staying a customer. I am not sure how much I can say what posts got removed so ill just say this to give you a bit more poof. My last post was 241 when I wrote it, so 2 posts was removed since I made it.


Also I found what this poster truely is doing with housing:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post4685317

A house opened up next door to my FC on my server and I tried to give an FC member gil to purchase it but they were unable to because of the timer. While we were standing all over the placecard trying to plan our next move, some undressed miqo'te who was level 50 max, comes literally sprinting down the street, relocates instantly, and names their new house "My Ward, not yours". Not entirely certain what the message behind the name of the plot meant; but it was pretty obviously an alt with the intention to flip. That was two weeks ago and to this very day, the house has not been decorated. The same plot was later spotted on reddit for sale apart of an outrageous bundle deal requesting for 10 times the amount it was by default price just for relocation value. Yeah, it was a bit upsetting to see.