We need another Housing purge

[Brynne]

I use the extra plots for gardening, if SE made instance personal green houses I would not have much need for plots.

This is something I've been in favor of for months. If SE made the following, I think there'd be less friction over housing:
- instanced greenhouses, as mentioned above, accessible from apartments and fc rooms as well as houses
- instanced FC barracks where you can place aetherial wheels and control airships

That's it, I think just those additions would fix a lot of things. People could have multiple FCs for airships and gardeners could expand their operations without hindering other players. Houses become a luxury item, bragging rights and decoration only. This would probably free up a few plots, at least.

Also, I hope when they add the ability for alts to use the main's personal house, they also give them the ability to make their own room, like in FC houses. That would be a nice touch.

[OliverB]

Damn 16!? Lol I can barely keep up with my 5 plots.

Having multiple service accounts makes it a lot easier to manage multiple houses because you don’t have to log out as much in order to get stuff done. 15$/month isnt much for the convenience if you want to look into that.

[Hamada]

It feels like...you've been clamoring for attention over this. Just by skimming through what's been said up to this point, when you made your first post, nobody really bothered to say anything to you - so then you made another post to attract attention of an issue that does irritate a lot of players. You don't see the issue with it, but a lot of people do.

I do not know how I missed that. I mean ya I got everyone including me ignored it. For me, I just assumed it could someone pretending but it really wasn't important to me. I can def see your point and looks like they succeeded, more so by posting on all 3 accounts here and once here, used the 2 others to cheer themselves on.

[Hamada]

Next to instanced housing, they could have also made instanced apartments which the feature to buy more and more rooms so that you can have as much housing space as you want. Or they could have given private housing the feature to buy rooms..and also give all the feature to buy more than one room. So if you are a small FC or own a small privat house you can just get more rooms by buying more thus you also have a gil sink.
In the end they put out lots of rewards and crafting items for housing but there is still not enough demand for everyone owning a house..

Yup, they could do a lot of things to minimize the want to get more then one house. I guess this is the result of trying to charge people as much as possible for "extra items and services" while not putting money back in the game. To add on this and someone else said, You could also pay more gil to expand how much you can grow, pay more for how many grade III buffs you can charge at once but no it seems they go out of their way to be as anti-consumer as possible with housing. What is shocking to me in that regard some people still go out of their way to try defend and make excuses for SE despite how bad housing is.

But hey if they manage to trick people in paying 30 or 45 dollars a month for 2/3 subs, they did a good job to maximize profits right? that is all that matters right? How much money you make, not how you treat your customers.

[Abelfei]

Does everyone realize that we have went from 450,540,720,1440,2160,2880 to now 4320 plots? What else do you want? It’s not hard to get a house. In facts it’s almost too easy now. Anyone who doesn’t have a house and complains about either 1) lacks intelligence (sorry but it’s true) 2) doesn’t know how 3) doesn’t have gil or 4) is being way to picky about what plot they want.

[Alleo]

Does everyone realize that we have went from 450,540,720,1440,2160,2880 to now 4320 plots? What else do you want? It’s not hard to get a house. In facts it’s almost too easy now. Anyone who doesn’t have a house and complains about either 1) lacks intelligence (sorry but it’s true) 2) doesn’t know how 3) doesn’t have gil or 4) is being way to picky about what plot they want.

On Moogle alone there are (at least if I use the search option) over 4000 FCs. Now next to them you can also buy it for your own too. And lets not forget that this game should be growing thus more and more people that also want housing.

Solution: Let the old wards stay for all of those that want neighbors and give us at least one instanced zone. Nobody can complain about housing anymore and if you have more than one instanced zone people could even own multiple houses without taking it away from others. Everyone happy, and we would not even need the discussion right now.

[MomomiMomi]

Well, I still seem to have forum access so I'm just going to poke my little head in here and leave my 2 gil. This will probably be a rant, but I'll try to keep it short and simple.

I am honestly quite tired of people blaming the players and not blaming the system. This problem was created by SE, and over the years they've done nothing but make it worse.

This is a problem that is easily solved, or at least curbed, by simple economic principles: supply and demand. Something which SE seems to have no understanding of. As someone who owned multiple mansions at one time, allow me to offer a little insight into the problems that exist.

The first, and most glaring, issue is one of supply. Non-instanced housing was a mistake. This was the original sin. It comes with some pros, but the cons far outweigh them. That said, SE have done nothing but double down on their design. Fine, I can't say I blame them for not scrapping it and providing something better. The sunk cost would be great.

Here's the part where SE have frustrated me. They know their supply is limited, and yet they've done nothing but increase demand for housing. Let's start at the beginning.

The first thing that created demand for housing beyond what housing offers in its basic form is Gardening. Decoupling gardening from housing would have gone a long way to decreasing demand for housing. They could just have instead made an instanced gardening area. You could even still tie it in to an FC if you wish. There was a time when this was a common request. Well, we all know they didn't.

Then airships were added. Why? These are just ventures. Why tie them in to housing? Again, tie it in to an FC, give us an instanced workshop at Cid's lab or something. Well, again, just like gardening, there's profit to be made. Demand was further increased by this addition.

Okay, so they've made some mistakes. They still had a very simple method to decrease demand. Price. Demand is not only a desire to own something, but also the willingness to pay for it. And here's where they goofed again, and I could do nothing but facepalm. To decrease demand, they could have increased the max price of their reverse auction system. They could leave the minimum price the same, so if nobody wanted to buy the house, it would still cost the same it does now. Forgive the bold, but a lot of people don't seem to understand this part whenever this idea is proposed.

But no. What did they do? They decreased the price of housing, increasing demand further. Housing is so cheap that even those who don't care about it become willing to pay for it just because they can. SE. Please. Please, please, please. You don't have many gil sinks other than housing. Why do you do this? Inflation is rampant because gil is useless. And yet you decreased the price of your ONE large gil sink! This is unfathomable. I can't.

I'm sorry, but I had to get it off my chest.

TL;DR: The simplest and most effective solution to ease the housing situation is to increase the max price of a house, but keep the minimum price the same. This ensures that only those who have a true desire to own a house will buy them, while at the same time not increasing the price of housing once demand has been sated.

While you're at it, for the love of Nald'thal, decouple gardening and airships from housing.

[Kittypryde]

But no. What did they do? They decreased the price of housing, increasing demand further. Housing is so cheap that even those who don't care about it become willing to pay for it just because they can. SE. Please. Please, please, please. You don't have many gil sinks other than housing. Why do you do this? Inflation is rampant because gil is useless. And yet you decreased the price of your ONE large gil sink! This is unfathomable. I can't.

I'm sorry, but I had to get it off my chest.

TL;DR: The simplest and most effective solution to ease the housing situation is to increase the max price of a house, but keep the minimum price the same. This ensures that only those who have a true desire to own a house will buy them, while at the same time not increasing the price of housing once demand has been sated.

While you're at it, for the love of Nald'thal, decouple gardening and airships from housing.[/QUOTE]

Amen. Houses are WAY too cheap. Even if a player doesn't craft, or hunt, or try at all to make any Gil, and blows most of it on glams, he can wing it through the MSQ and make enough for a small cottage. This isn't a good idea on SE's part. A cottage is supposed to take you a LONG time to save up for. I'd say 4-6months minimum. Make smalls 20-30m, mediums 60-100m and larges well over 300m. Then housing will be the proper gil sink that it was intended to be. If my gimp ass can craft and make 500m+ on a medium/large server, then Gil is too easy to come by.

[Paladinleeds]

Amen. Houses are WAY too cheap. Even if a player doesn't craft, or hunt, or try at all to make any Gil, and blows most of it on glams, he can wing it through the MSQ and make enough for a small cottage. This isn't a good idea on SE's part. A cottage is supposed to take you a LONG time to save up for. I'd say 4-6months minimum. Make smalls 20-30m, mediums 60-100m and larges well over 300m. Then housing will be the proper gil sink that it was intended to be. If my gimp ass can craft and make 500m+ on a medium/large server, then Gil is too easy to come by.

Nah, you want to make housing a proper gil sink, add maintenance costs... say 2m a week for a small, 20m a week for a medium, 200m a week for a large. These must be paid within 24 hours of being due or the house is relinquished. Then you have housing as a meaty gil sink. Apartments would have a 200k a week maintenance cost.

[Kittypryde]

Nah, you want to make housing a proper gil sink, add maintenance costs... say 2m a week for a small, 20m a week for a medium, 200m a week for a large. These must be paid within 24 hours of being due or the house is relinquished. Then you have housing as a meaty gil sink. Apartments would have a 200k a week maintenance cost.

LOL that is the most bizarre thing I've ever heard on these forums, or Reddit forums. 200m maintenance a week? Now you are just trolling. Even the most hardcore FCS with 500+ members couldn't maintain that maintenance fee.
The entry fee of a house is simply way too cheap. Let's say that new Ferrari cars were limited to 5000 total, and ALSO had prices drop to $25k each. What would happen? Everyone who thought a Ferrari was out of their reach, can all of a sudden afford, and all 5000 of them would sell out. You would then have millions of angry people. Ferraris NEED to stay 150-300k+up. They aren't a God given right for everyone to be entitled to. Exact same as housing.