We need another Housing purge

[Hamada]

But it's not against the rules now so it really depends on whether SE cares about a statute of limitations on offenses like this.
Not that I agree with or support this dude in any way (knowingly violating the spirit of the rules isn't much better than flat out breaking the rules), but continuing to call this an exploit is starting to turn into petty nitpicking.



Well you did kind of plainly state that you were transferring ownership to bypass the temporary limitation at least once.

Yes you are correct but apparently some others are not understanding what I am trying to say. It NOT being a breech now does not change the fact they clearly did that while it was in place otherwise they wouldn't have done it if it was not for getting around that limitation. They fully explained how and why they violated the tos, so I am confused why they are trying to take that back now. And that "at least once" is enough for me to point out they violated the ToS. Does not matter how meany times they did so, I think it is beyond absurd they explained on the OF how they did a game exploit, a work around of a set of rules, and a few players want to tell me "no rule was broken" when there clearly was.

Also note they explained they had to convert personal to FCs and what lengths they did to do that, going to some uncrowded plot to do so. I think we all know the reason for converting personals to fcs with that update was.

That doesn't make it not an exploit though. Especially if you continue to use it to your advantage after discovering it. Whether it is or not is up to SE however and they haven't joined the conversation other than plucking posts out.

No they knew exactly what they where doing, remember they stated they had to convert personals to FCs, but you are right regardless, does not change the fact it was an exploit. Also buying a FC house on account 3, to move it to account 2, so account 3 can buy another is not a mistake, that is a clear intentional work around.

Nah, you really don't understand. Before they doubled the amount of wards, you could buy 8 FC houses per account. And you can still do. There's never been an "exploit" other than during those two weeks.

Those 2 weeks you bought extra houses though that exploit though and I am sure you did the personal to fc conversions during that time as well, the very reason you said you needed to move FC ownership from account 3 to account 2, so yes you are in violation of 2.1, you flat out said it in posts here and I am sure everyone knows why you converted those houses in those 2 weeks. You even posted here about how you bought new FC houses when those new wards went live, having only account 1 loaded. So during those 2 weeks you exploited the game by getting around that limitation and safely convened the personals to FC houses so account 3 can give those to account 2. You explained everything here and posted how you exploited the system. You wouldn't of been able to pull this off outside those 2 weeks, those limitations protected you. There is no way you are going to convince anyone you pulled that off outside those 2 weeks, gilgamesh is a high pop server.

The only way you could possibly pulled this off after those 2 weeks is still a violation, and that would be consistently moving houses to lock out plots to new buyers. If that is the case that would be a 2.1 and a 3.2 violation.

What I really don't understand is why this Oliver person can't answer Dusty simply on their main forum account and not going back and forth between their alts. That has to be annoying and/or tiring.

it really is, did you see one of their first posts here? they used the 2 others to cheer themselves on, so cringe.

[Cylla]

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We've been screaming for a fix since the day housing came out, SE has only slapped it with a band-aid fix that only left loopholes for players to keep using. All we can demand at this point is for them to rip the whole shit system down and demand for a better system to be put in place. Said this in another thread not long ago in the housing section of the forums, but I feel as though they aren't even listening to the NA community and if any push is to be made, it from the JP community. Or another option is we start talking with our wallets. No real fix, no money. However, nobody going to stop paying their monthly sub (that doesn't seem to even go towards this game) just over a demand to fix housing. If people did though, maybe SE would wake the hell up and get their shit together.

Honestly don't blame you either. Few months ago I had to stop playing and had just gotten a large house (on balmung no less after fighting at every housing patch to get one). Lost the house, was able to reclaim my items and gil during the free 7 days. Didn't look at this game again until a few weeks ago. I'm not really bitter, I just moved to a low pop server and got a new house but it left a bad taste. I wanted a house, I wanted to stay with people on Balmung. Having a house won just because I can cross-server most things with those people. Left my alt there also. But nobody should have to choose between wanting a house or being on the same server with friends.

In an case, enjoy ESO! Their housing does sound pretty damn amazing. I tried it back when it came out in beta but I couldn't get into it. If there ever a game that came out that had the same graphics or bettter as XIV and did shit right, I'd leave XIV in a heartbeat. One day maybe... one day... hahaha.

[NotOliverB]

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Just stop, you're trying too hard to come up with fantasy scenarios.

Personal houses were only there to secure the plots until I had rank 6 FCs to take over. Once again, because you ignored it before, resources to "craft" a rank6 FC during those two weeks were limited, barely existent. Wanna know why? Because new purchases could only be done by rank 6 FCs.

Why waste time and money on leveling an FC to buy a house when I can save time and straight up relocate someone's FC? The fact that you think I would convert personal houses during that time clearly indicates that you have no understanding of how this works. There was 0 competition for plots. There wasn't enough FCs for the 2000 plots that were added.

On top of that, over the months, I've bought people out of my ward. I've relocated to plots left empty by neighbors who moved elsewhere. But hey, imma tell you a secret that few people actually know of... there's a timer on the relocation. You have to wait 5 minutes in order to relocate. A timer that's been put there on purpose mind you. So there goes you argument about breaching the ToS by relocating around

[Hamada]

Just stop, you're trying too hard to come up with fantasy scenarios.
Personal houses were only there to secure the plots until I had rank 6 FCs to take over. Once again, because you ignored it before, resources to "craft" a rank6 FC during those two weeks were limited, barely existent. Wanna know why? Because new purchases could only be done by rank 6 FCs.

Why waste time and money on leveling an FC to buy a house when I can save time and straight up relocate someone's FC? The fact that you think I would convert personal houses during that time clearly indicates that you have no understanding of how this works. There was 0 competition for plots. There wasn't enough FCs for the 2000 plots that were added.

On top of that, over the months, I've bought people out of my ward. I've relocated to plots left empty by neighbors who moved elsewhere. But hey, imma tell you a secret that few people actually know of... there's a timer on the relocation. You have to wait 5 minutes in order to relocate. A timer that's been put there on purpose mind you. So there goes you argument about breaching the ToS by relocating around

claims they did not exploit the system, while giving details how they exploited the system
10/10

[OliverB]

claims they did not exploit the system, while giving details how they exploited the system
10/10

You might want to open a dictionary.

[Ilenya]

On top of that, over the months, I've bought people out of my ward.

I'm sorry, what?

[OliverB]

I'm sorry, what?

You get 100m, I get your house.

[illgot]

What I really don't understand is why this Oliver person can't answer Dusty simply on their main forum account and not going back and forth between their alts. That has to be annoying and/or tiring.

I take it you don't have multiple service accounts. If you do the system will autolog you on to the last account you used depending on your web settings. I had this issue with my 2 service accounts. Any other issues dying for attention?

Nah, you really don't understand. Before they doubled the amount of wards, you could buy 8 FC houses per account. And you can still do. There's never been an "exploit" other than during those two weeks.

Correct, it was a temporary change while they were altering the current housing rules. There is nothing stopping a player from owning 1 FC house and 1 personal house per character right now. Until SE changes the rules people should be focused on trying to alter the rules, not witch hunt players because they had the resources and patience to play the game with in the rules.

[KaivaC]

You get 100m, I get your house.

On one hand, this is a win-win with the old system before the revamp and when it was possible, unless, of course, there were questionable tactics involved. But in light of the post-revamp housing market, how is this something to be somewhat validated by? Players were already up in arms when it happened on Mateus with those two players - while it may be beneficial to you, you have to understand that this is irksome to players who have been working hard, only to be unable to purchase a house because either somebody was taking advantage of a badly implemented system or because they came into the housing market game late.

You played the system. Fair enough. It wasn't against ToS to do so. Why you are using multiple accounts to continue to defend this, irritating posters in the process, I don't understand. Like I said earlier, nobody was really going after you in particular until you started attracting their attention (mods do have a strict no-name-and-shame policy here), so if that screenshot stayed up longer, that user could've been banned.

[Sigma-Astra]

I take it you don't have multiple service accounts. If you do the system will autolog you on to the last account you used depending on your web settings. I had this issue with my 2 service accounts. Any other issues dying for attention?

Any other comment you wanna leave me that's not dripping with condescending and smarmy tones that I should take seriously? Let me know when you're ready for a healthy discussion/debate that doesn't have you relying on treating other forum posters lesser than how you would treat yourself. I'll wait.

Edit: And no I don't have multiple service accounts, why? Because there is literally no reason to be wasting money like that for an MMO when all you need is one, in my opinion.

Super Edit: I really need to doublecheck what I write before I post it sometimes when my brain is done for the day.