We need another Housing purge

[Sigma-Astra]

Managing a dozen FC’s is easy. You make it seem impossible but it’s very very easy. It’s just like retainers really in essence of airships and subs. If people spent the energy they do with anger and jealousy towards getting a house this would be a moot point. It’s sooooooo easy to get a house. Just click and buy. They are there. Check auto demo timers hourly: I just saw a mansion pop the other day. Tons of mediums pop weekly. It’s more of a reflection on people’s lack of effort rather than pointing at someone as a scapegoat. To everyone complaining about housing I ask you this question : how bad do you actually want a house? More people actually like complaining about not having one than they care about what it takes to get one. Anyone I know that truly wants a house has one. Square isn’t going to gift you one.

Well, not to argue semantics, but I'm going to argue semantics here. 16 is not "a dozen FC's", that would be 12. I never said it was impossible, not once, I just said that it would almost feel like a full-time job if you have 16 or more FC's to manage scattered between three different service accounts. Which I'm going to just do a basic estimate here, is like wasting 18 hours of your day away simply by just going through your housing alone for the airships and subs, etc. If I'm going to waste 18 hours of my day, well, I'd rather waste at least 7-8 getting paid with a full-time job instead of turning my MMO into something that only provides me with virtual money as a full-time job.

First off, you don't need to lecture me about "more people actually like complaining about not having one than they care about what it takes to get one". Let me just call out that part and how I think it's a bit of naivety to assume that everyone complaining that the housing structure is garbage and the people taking advantage of the loopholes are greedy people are simply people that don't have a house and are therefore jealous. You would be wrong and farther from the truth. I am part of a FC with a large house and I own a private, small in the 1st ward of Shirogane while micromanaging a private, small in the 1st Ward, Goblet for my fiance when he can't be around sometimes. How bad did I actually want that house in Shirogane? Well, certainly enough to force myself awake til 7am when the servers reopened on the very first release day of Shirogane housing, that's how bad. And I STILL had to throw caution towards the wind with the server queues and whether or not that they would favor me and let me log in to grab the spot that I had wanted before someone else.

This isn't about someone getting a house that someone else wanted. This isn't about a SINGLE home whatsoever, this is about ONE player taking advantage of the loopholes within the rules, because it's there, because they can do it, and because they will without any kind of disregard that their actions prohibit other people from enjoying a part of the game that they want to enjoy also and have the funds to do so. This is about one, single person owning up multiple houses to fuel their own flawed greed because that's all airships do, they make money. That's it. And, that is the only reason why someone needs 20+ airships is for their lucrative properties and the person's excessive desire to be rich, and by golly, they will step on as many people to get there. That's what this is about.

When personal greed fuels you as a player to step on and spite others and then wave it in their faces with the "got mine, screw you plebs" sort of mentality, that's not entirely SE's fault, and granted SE shares a decent portion of the blame, however, they're also expecting their players to play fairly and act accordingly and courteous to other players above all while playing the game. No player by themselves needs 16+ FC houses no more than a player needs to run the Vault with a newbie healer on release day.

Let me stress at the end, "Just because it's there and that you can buy it, doesn't mean that you absolutely need it".

I could afford another private small if I really wanted to and get another service account for it...then transfer the gil in doing so, could doesn't mean that I should. Big difference in morals here.

[NotOliverB]

That doesn't make it not an exploit though. Especially if you continue to use it to your advantage after discovering it. Whether it is or not is up to SE however and they haven't joined the conversation other than plucking posts out.

The limitations have been removed since. No need for a workaround. Idk why you can't understand that.

Well you did kind of plainly state that you were transferring ownership to bypass the temporary limitation at least once.

What I've stated was how I would transfer my grandfathered FC houses onto the same account to make it more manageable and as a result, figured out I had an FC house on an account that was previously freed of FC houses.

[Cylla]

I am honestly quite tired of people blaming the players and not blaming the system. This problem was created by SE, and over the years they've done nothing but make it worse.

Skimmed over the post lightly, but this is the part that stopped me.
I agree with you 100%. This is SE fault. Been saying that since day one. However, that shouldn't excuse a player to use a known loophole to buy up half a ward. When the demand is so high and the supply so low, that just toxic behavior. Such behavior is why this community got so many toxic players in it. The, "Don't care because I'm not going to get punished for it." attitude.

We don't excuse RMT for cheating/bot/selling gil. Why should we excuse a player poor decision to buy up a half/whole ward when they know their using a loophole to do it?

[Dustytome]

The limitations have been removed since. No need for a workaround. Idk why you can't understand that.

I don't know why you think I don't understand that? I was just stating that if there is an exploit, running into it by accident doesn't make it any less of an exploit and if anyone continued to use it afterwards as an advantage then it makes it that much worse. The accident doesn't excuse continued usage for anyone.

By now (before this thread existed even) SE should have been aware of it. No statement have been made against it, nothing to prevent it was added to the game. Other than preventing users from severely going at each others throats on the forum, I don't think they consider this an issue to address.

[OliverB]

I don't know why you think I don't understand that? I was just stating that if there is an exploit, running into it by accident doesn't make it any less of an exploit and if anyone continued to use it afterwards as an advantage then it makes it that much worse. The accident doesn't excuse continued usage for anyone.

By now (before this thread existed even) SE should have been aware of it. No statement have been made against it, nothing to prevent it was added to the game. Other than preventing users from severely going at each others throats on the forum, I don't think they consider this an issue to address.

Nah, you really don't understand. Before they doubled the amount of wards, you could buy 8 FC houses per account. And you can still do. There's never been an "exploit" other than during those two weeks.

[MomomiMomi]

We don't excuse RMT for cheating/bot/selling gil. Why should we excuse a player poor decision to buy up a half/whole ward when they know their using a loophole to do it?

I'm not exactly saying the players aren't at fault here. It is absolutely selfish and greedy to take extra houses. I admit that even as someone who did it themself. However, complaining about the players accomplishes nothing, and most proposed solutions end up punishing legitimate players.

People should be demanding of SE to actually fix their terrible system instead of raging against other players who are playing well within the game's rules as designed by SE.


And just so it's clear, I have no more stake in this problem. They reclaimed my houses when I took an extended break. One that was extended further because of the foul taste that left me with, along with the other issues I have with SE not improving their game, which I won't delve into because that's a topic for another thread. My desire to continue playing this game has dwindled. I barely even touched it during the 7 free days I had during the callback campaign (which is the only reason I have forum access right now).

Tangentially on-topic, but I'm currently enjoying ESO where I can own 41 different styled houses, simultaneously, and all shared among my alts. And with the subscription being optional, I imagine I will continue to do so for some time.

[Dustytome]

Nah, you really don't understand. Before they doubled the amount of wards, you could buy 8 FC houses per account. And you can still do. There's never been an "exploit" other than during those two weeks.

Which I fully understand was a capability before the additional wards were added. The bit after was what I was unaware of before you clarified that earlier in the thread (I had thought that to have carried on past that two week period) . Even during that two week period though, it was public knowledge even on these very forums that one could get around the restriction. Again SE did nothing to prevent it, has to my knowledge taken no action against anyone that did it and has made no statements against it being done. I'm not condoning going against the intention of the rules they set up, but SE doesn't seem to be actively against it.

[Sigma-Astra]

What I really don't understand is why this Oliver person can't answer Dusty simply on their main forum account and not going back and forth between their alts. That has to be annoying and/or tiring.

[Enla]

What I really don't understand is why this Oliver person can't answer Dusty simply on their main forum account and not going back and forth between their alts. That has to be annoying and/or tiring.

Not only annoying but it makes it look like they are aware there is an issue and don't want to get in trouble if a developer happens to chance upon this topic. That or they're trolling and taking the proverbial piss out of the situation, and switching accounts is part of them giving the middle finger to everyone here. Might not be the intention but it's definitely the impression that's been left.

[OliverB]

I'm logged into whatever account is active on mog station on top of looking at this thread on multiple devices. Lol @ the post above.