HoH feedback

[Alleo]

You said it well this game has far more casual content than hardcore one, we don't need to cry out for any non casual content added to the game.
As I have shown you have the tools to do it, use them

And how is it great for the hardcore crowd if they still have to go through all the easy useless floors? 50/50 and with the option to start at 51, they would get faster to the real hardcore floors, while the rest of us also has more floors and maybe even a larger story..in the end the hardcore crowd got Ultimate, will get Omega the next patch and they can still run this the ultra hardcore way by doing it solo (if you dont have DCs like me..) or with only another player.

There are no alternatives. Why should there be? This IS casual content!! Just because you (or your friend) don't want to set the time aside doesn't suddenly change that. You don't even need to do it all in one go I mean jeebus.

So why take over 100 floors away? I mean all those that complained that it was too much to reach the hardcore floors should have then just set enough time to clear it? Casual players lost 70% of the normal floors, while the hardcore crowd only lost 30%...if this is casual content like you said why take away the floors for the casual crowd? Why not just give people the ability to start higher up? Instead of having people to start at 51 in PotD, they simply could have given access to 101 for matched parties. This way hardcores could be faster towards their floors and the rest had their floors to run. The same with this one. The only hard part starts higher up, so why not raise the amount of floors for casuals and give hardcore players the chance to start higher too? What is there too lose?

Dont get me wrong. I have nothing against a challenge. But honestly as far as I got myself and also read on reddit, it seems that mostly 81-90 are the hardest floors, and it felt for others that those beyond 91 are easier. The bosses are all seemingly quite normal. Wouldnt it be better if they just released a couple of really hardcore floors, which can be only done in a four man party (thus take out the solo part) and which is really hardcore from start to beginning including the bosses? And have these start at the floors after you beat the casual parts?

I just dont see the fun in having to run most of the deep dungeon for the handful of few good floors..And that is coming from someone that is more casual and still went to 81 with a complete group of strangers.

[Remedi]

And how is it great for the hardcore crowd if they still have to go through all the easy useless floors? 50/50 and with the option to start at 51, they would get faster to the real hardcore floors, while the rest of us also has more floors and maybe even a langer story..in the end the hardcore crowd got Ultimate, will get Omega the next patch and they can still run this the ultra hardcore way by doing it solo (if you dont have DCs like me..) or with only another player.

Because the concept of the content is a gauntlet dungeon of prgressing difficulty, it's already enough they allow you to start from 21 (or 51). The concept was always that you had to start low to get to the end and it would become progressing difficulty. If you have a problem with the concept that it YOUR OWN PROBLEM.

[Alleo]

Because the concept of the content is a gauntlet dungeon of prgressing difficulty, it's already enough they allow you to start from 21 (or 51). The concept was always that you had to start low to get to the end and it would become progressing difficulty. If you have a problem with the concept that it YOUR OWN PROBLEM.

No need to yell. Yet somehow even though that was the concept some that wanted to do the harder floors, still complained about the long way up to those...why did they listen to them? I mean shouldnt they just have accepted that this takes time? Yet SE gave in and somehow not only cut all floors in half but the casual ones even more..and on top of that I found barely anything really a challenge for complete groups. (At least until 81) Most of the bosses are a joke and for me PotD <100 was already harder, at least with the bosses. Honestly I dont really feel much progression of the difficulty until the few couple floors left. If you give casuals only 30 ones, why not start with difficult content right at 31?

And again. Its not that 50/50 would change the difficulty..it would just give the rest access to 20 more floors without needing a group and none of these floors feel like they need a fixed party either. So no I dont see this as a good reason because its not getting much harder until later.

(Also the: its your own problem can be said about any content that someone does not like..thats like a killer for any good argument or feedback in any discussion)

[LeoLupinos]

I would like to have more slots for fixed party.

[hynaku]

Wish they add option where if ones that already made it to floor 100 in a premade party could have option to start out on floor 31 or floor 71. That way don't have to be there for 5 hours getting to floor 100 again.

[Remedi]

No need to yell. Yet somehow even though that was the concept some that wanted to do the harder floors, still complained about the long way up to those...why did they listen to them? I mean shouldnt they just have accepted that this takes time? Yet SE gave in and somehow not only cut all floors in half but the casual ones even more..and on top of that I found barely anything really a challenge for complete groups. (At least until 81) Most of the bosses are a joke and for me PotD <100 was already harder, at least with the bosses. Honestly I dont really feel much progression of the difficulty until the few couple floors left. If you give casuals only 30 ones, why not start with difficult content right at 31?

And again. Its not that 50/50 would change the difficulty..it would just give the rest access to 20 more floors without needing a group and none of these floors feel like they need a fixed party either. So no I dont see this as a good reason because its not getting much harder until later.

(Also the: its your own problem can be said about any content that someone does not like..thats like a killer for any good argument or feedback in any discussion)

And I've said plentyful that SE gave in too much to some requests from the community which have lead the game to be more and more shallow.
My Hyperbole was to demosntarte it, I've also brought the example of ppl complaining that 99 totems are too much for the mount WHICH should be a rarity in the game.
What's next? starting from garuda is too punishing? shall we start from Ultima directly once you reach it once, just like savage? It's already insulting in savage honestly
Also let me tell you this, the stakes are what makes the floor good, the fact that your progress will be lost and you'll be punished for your mistakes hevily, which is the whole point of the content, the fact that you have to run those useless floors if something you do is wrong is what makes it all the more worthwhile, it's a chemical reaction. If you remove them and you start alreay at the harder ones it simply becomes any other content in the game, that gets consumed quickly and then shat out just as fast.
It's what ppl have been saying.

And pls don't even say to me that potd bosses were harder, maybe in solo, but frankly they were rehased version of earlier bosses, some just as easy, the only remarkable one was the succubus on 150 floor , the rest was just a ZZZZ with the only execption of the behemoth.

This ,just like the story critic, to me is BS, if anything bosses are just as easy, but definitively not easier

[Vnolan]

Sorry, those don’t really seem like good enough reasons, in my opinion; they all come off as especially flimsy.

It's poor game design, just like having people convert hundreds upon hundreds of anemos crystals one by one, or having people convert hundreds of treasure coffers that primarily yield unstackable gear.

Thats the way its designed.

Anemos was designed one way, and within weeks of release, they added the ability to convert multiple crystals at a time and they adjusted loot drops.

I personally dont want it to have it broken into 3-4 tiers. That to me just makes it easier to do, not harder

It would make it harder, because you wouldn't have the magicite and poms stacked up from the previous 40 floors, but it would make it less punishing if you wiped or less time consuming if you don't wipe. You'd still have some people start from 21 not for any additional challenge, but for the added insurance the poms would provide.

IMO, just leave it as it is. I like it that way.

If they allowed a higher start, you could still do it your way.

shall we start from Ultima directly once you reach it once, just like savage? It's already insulting in savage honestly

What prevents you from leaving the instance and reentering each time you wipe on Neo or Godka?

[Melichoir]

Anemos was designed one way, and within weeks of release, they added the ability to convert multiple crystals at a time and they adjusted loot drops.

Thats a QoL feature that has 0 impact on the content from a challange point, unless you consider it a challange to repeatedly click a text box. This is a case of apples and nuclear powered submarines.

It would make it harder, because you wouldn't have the magicite and poms stacked up from the previous 40 floors, but it would make it less punishing if you wiped or less time consuming if you don't wipe. You'd still have some people start from 21 not for any additional challenge, but for the added insurance the poms would provide.

The trouble still stands that if you dont have to worry about going all teh way back to 21, and spending time getting back (time is the punishment factor here), then you can just play it fast and loose if it goes back down to 80. And btw, lets be realistic. If htey add tiers, people will point out the pomander issue, then theyll be in the position to patch it so you get pomanders 'easier' at the higher lvls to counteract that. Or inversely, if the content isnt passable without the pomanders, then having a lvl 80 tier would be a moot point. They would have to implement chest changes at those higher tiers for them to be functional.

If they allowed a higher start, you could still do it your way.

Just let me start at Ultimate modes. I shouldnt have to take the time and clear Savage tiers. They take to much time to do, and getting a static together? God. Thats a challenge.

[HyoMinPark]

It's poor game design, just like having people convert hundreds upon hundreds of anemos crystals one by one, or having people convert hundreds of treasure coffers that primarily yield unstackable gear.

How is it poor game design? Again, “because I don’t like it” isn’t a valid reason. The examples you have provided are completely unrelated. As Melichior said, unless you find it challenging to unlock each box individiually, they aren’t the same thing. That’s a true QoL feature; allowing later starts in HoH or even PotD is not—it’s just something that negates the challenge of the content: the challenge is the gauntlet, and the incentive to not wipe, or otherwise you start all over. It’s not threatening to wipe on Floor 97 if I can start on Floor 61 or 81.

God forbid, we allow something to have some kind of challenge and/or take some kind of time in this game.

I’m tired of seeing everyone demand things be easier for them because they don’t want to put forth time or effort for things.

[Kisik]

Feedback regarding sack loot: You know, if they have to put in little temporary silly loot like confetti and sparklers, why not make it something more fun? Say a glamour that turns you into the odder otter that the traps do, but say it lasts 5 minutes?