Sentinal is a thorn in our sides

[Molly_Millions]

I was reading this thread at work but couldn't post but Molly, you are sorta right and sorta wrong.

In patches 1.17 and before the buff description when Sentinel was used read: "Temporarily reducing damage and increasing emnity from actions."

In 1.18 when Emnity algorithms were adjusted they changed the buff description to: "Temporarily reducing damage."

I can't believe no one else mentioned that yet, or just no one ever hovered above the buffs to read them? Sentinel wasn't the only one with a buff description that was off a bit from its tool tip.


But in any case GLA Ablity 1 is nearly the same description as Sentinel's buff description was Pre-1.18. As many people have said the name doesn't matter, the tool tip doesn't matter. The only thing that matters is if it provides 40-60% damage cut to do the same thing. The +Emnity (on actions done during sentinel) existed before and it wasn't a problem and with Sentinel only lasting 7-10 seconds subbed you can't even do many during it so it won't be a very big issue regaining the emnity factor it previously lost.

Anyways, its pointless to debate it now. The patch is a week away so we can just wait until then and they point fingers at who's wrong if people feel like it.

I don't disagree with anything you said, but have something to add; In a perfect Ifrit run, with more enmity generation on the sentinel like action, you likely won't notice a difference. But we all know that most runs aren't perfect, and that is where you are going to see a difference I believe. When it's going to be a problem is that time when you (as a mage) just popped the new ability and lets say a couple DDs screwed up and their timing was off, so you have to toss a curaga within the extra enmity window.

[Krausus]

do you know what the word average means?

sorry to be an ass, but you are making some pretty illogical arguments. We are comparing the new ability to sentinel not to speed surge.

oh so its ok for you to do it but when someone else does it then it isn't ok?

[Molly_Millions]

oh so its ok for you to do it but when someone else does it then it isn't ok?

I don't follow

[Krausus]

I don't follow

arguing small points that make no difference to the argument.

Also I never meant to come off as hostile to the argument I hope you didn't take it that way, I have no issues with you personally, I just think your argument was moot to the point just as me talking about LNC skills and enmity. I think you probably get that now and I do understand your concerns for mages but it isn't a concern to me because it will more then likely not effect my Ifrit groups. I think it mostly stems from some people hate the fact that Sentinel makes it easier on a group especially those that do not wish to take the time to get the ability in order to be less of a burden on the rest of the group. But flat out saying Sentinel is going away without any evidence of such is wrong.

[Molly_Millions]

But flat out saying Sentinel is going away without any evidence of such is wrong.

Then lets say that sentinel as we know it now is going away and just call it a day. Maybe the new ability is the same as sentinel before 1.17 or whatever, but it's not going to be the same as it is now if it exists at all.

[Krausus]

sigh.........

[ninesunz]

Then lets say that sentinel as we know it now is going away and just call it a day. Maybe the new ability is the same as sentinel before 1.17 or whatever, but it's not going to be the same as it is now if it exists at all.

How do you know this?

[Molly_Millions]

How do you know this?

I explained that here, a couple pages back. The descriptions are not the same. Currently (as another poster pointed out) sentinel generates an average amount of enmity when compared to other actions, after the patch, the ability that comes closest (by its description) generates more than average enmity.

[MicahZerrshia]

hmmm i started something didnt I lol. It was just a small frustration rant nothing more, I swear lol

I got my last 6 lvls Im good, but since I dont like gld I know Ifrit will give me nothing but swords and nothing for any of my actual 50 jobs or jobs I am currently taking to 50 ^^ Moogles Law

[Rentahamster]

Can't we just agree that the new skill in 1.20 is basically Sentinel + Cadence combined into a new skill?

Because that's what's happening, basically. (Changes to the damage reduction and enmity generation notwithstanding)