Heaven on High: That's it?

[OMega_ARcane]

Yeah, I'm currently in a group that just cleared 60 and will be continuing tomorrow. All those gold sacks gave me were materia and a couple clothing items.

I did get a sophic barding from my last from silver sack, though, which surprised me.

Dang that's crazy, I've been to 63 and among the sacks I got two susano minions, two shieva minions, levi barding, Sophia barding, ravanna barding, two lvl 70 craft alc flower glam stuff I sold, and some sparrow minion I already had. Those are only the things I remember getting, there indeed was material and sparklers though.

[LeoLupinos]

Today I've run with a party finder random fixed party from floor 21 to 74. It was really fun. It's indeed needed to have 90+ for a easy go.

I do recomend it.

[Remedi]

Today I've run with a party finder random fixed party from floor 21 to 74. It was really fun. It's indeed needed to have 90+ for a easy go.

I do recomend it.

If I nhave to make a guess this is what they intended from the beginning, I think we need to man up and simply search ppl like we always did, also the addition of crossworld LS and friend list shouldn't make this so impossible as ppl make it looks like

[TaleraRistain]

Nothing in his statement claims he was querying any specific part of the playerbase, but the playerbase as a whole—so anyone looking to say that it was “only the raiders” that enjoyed have no argument there. Which is basically what Riyah always says—the only players that enjoy hard content are Savage raiders, when PotD Floor 200 proves otherwise (as opposed to other anecdotal stories).

But that statement also doesn't prove he asked anyone outside of those who had been to 200. The entire playerbase is everyone - those who do potd, those who don't do it, those who only do the leveling part, those who do the challenge floors. That's why I would want to see which were part of the sample size. Did he even look at people who hadn't been to 200 and ask why? Or why people didn't do potd at all? You can't just ask people who do the content and assume that's indicative of the entire population.

[Felis]

And what about the fact that you need to reach the 50th floor of the PoTD to have access to HoH ? That's so stupid...

I don't see a problem in that. You can do that within 1 hour.

[Theodric]

I don't see a problem in that. You can do that within 1 hour.

It also ensures that the people tackling HoH aren't new to the base mechanics. Which means - in theory, anyway - that there's less people who don't have a clue what they're meant to be doing.

[Metallium]

My biggest issue is that 99% of the items you get from bags is crappy materia and firewoks. SE never learns.

I've gotten like 7 different barding for my chocobo, 2 minions, the new hairstyle. Just gotta keep at it.

[HyoMinPark]

But that statement also doesn't prove he asked anyone outside of those who had been to 200. The entire playerbase is everyone - those who do potd, those who don't do it, those who only do the leveling part, those who do the challenge floors. That's why I would want to see which were part of the sample size. Did he even look at people who hadn't been to 200 and ask why? Or why people didn't do potd at all? You can't just ask people who do the content and assume that's indicative of the entire population.

There are probably still more players that did Floor 200 runs and enjoyed them, even if they didn’t make it all the way to the end, than there are Savage raiders in this game. Regardless, it had to have been significant enough for them to do another challenge portion. If it had been a negligible percentage or an insignificant percentage, or if there had not been a demand for more challenge floors like Floor 200 PotD, they wouldn’t have implemented it. It would have just been 100 floors with a story for all 100. It’s disingenuous to say that “only raiders like challenges”, which is the issue I have with Riyah and her posts about this.




I cleared Floor 100 last night, and had more fun than I’ve had in any content that isn’t Savage or Ultimate. It’s a wonderful addition to a game where everything is snore-fests. Being actually forced to do nothing but heal on AST is something refreshing; usually I’m just a green DPS in “expert” dungeons, and being made to actually perform my healing role was fun. Not to mention the adrenaline from near wipes on 81+.

[RiyahArp]

I didn't say that. The issue is that the quote you used indicated that the only challenge people wanted out of that were floors like 180-200, and I'm saying no, that can't be true. Not true enough to nerf the story portion to 1-30 and in the end, give us literally one floor to easily grind casually, 21-30. Very few peopls relative out of the population would have done 180-200, not because of challenge, but because you needed a static and often as many hours as you would put in raiding to seriously do the challenge floors due to the limitations. The challenge floors were boring, and not even challenging; you died mostly due to rng of wandering mobs or people getting bored and rushing in to trigger a trap; the problem was that one wipe just meant you had to start the whole thing over, so you were incredibly punished for a mistake or for rng.

I think people were expecting them to keep the challenge, but get rid of the silly limitations. They didn't. and they didn't even keep the challenge; only three sets of floors apparently are difficult at all. They actually overall nerfed the experience when no one really complained; I shouldn't be able to duo 1-40 with a friend with no wipes and not even breaking a sweat ever. This is what befuddles me.

Its the same as the stupid namazu quests. You know what you do with them as a fisher? You go to the mark, they tell you where to fish, and the very first fish you get is it. Fishing one time. There's no real reason to nerf them like that; as fishers, we really don't mind fishing for a bit. They keep doing these weird little gameplayless decisions, like doma rebuilding and fashion report.

[HyoMinPark]

I didn't say that. The issue is that the quote you used indicated that the only challenge people wanted out of that were floors like 180-200, and I'm saying no, that can't be true. Not true enough to nerf the story portion to 1-30 and in the end, give us literally one floor to easily grind casually, 21-30.

PotD’s story built off of a previous one, and even then 51-100’s story felt disconnected from the original 1-50 story, in my opinion. Like it had been tacted on after the fact. HoH’s story was lackluster, but people also rarely did PotD 1-50 in its entirety or even PotD 61-100 in terms of farming for aetherpool or experience; that was exclusively for PotD 51-60, which HoH 21-30 is the equivalent of.

All you’re doing right now is saying that Yoshida is lying. If you think he’s lying, then jus stay so straight-up. I doubt he has reason to lie about people liking the challenge floors as opposed to spamming PotD 51-60 all the time.

Very few peopls relative out of the population would have done 180-200, not because of challenge, but because you needed a static and often as many hours as you would put in raiding to seriously do the challenge floors due to the limitations.

Do you have proof to back up your claim? You don’t even need a “static” to do the challenge floors for PotD; I did my first run where we wiped on 197 with a random PF of people that were just advertising wanting to do it. My clear was done with my friends. Same with my HoH clear—done with 2 friends and another person that was a friend of one of mine. You don’t need a static, nor do you need to put in “tons of time” equivalent to the time you would put into clearing Savage or Ultimate.

The challenge floors were boring, and not even challenging; you died mostly due to rng of wandering mobs or people getting bored and rushing in to trigger a trap; the problem was that one wipe just meant you had to start the whole thing over, so you were incredibly punished for a mistake or for rng.

“The challenge floors were boring” is your opinion. Opinion =/= fact.

Again, your proof? Have you actually cleared PotD 200 or HoH 100, or are you just making assumptions about content you don’t actually do again? When mobs hit hard enough to force me to actually have to heal outside of regens or a faerie, or where one actually spams AOE damage after a cleave and a large circle AOE and requires me to actively AOE heal to keep people up (this is in HoH), that’s already a myriad above what most dungeon trash pack pulls do. Part of the challenge is also the RNG and having to be responsible with your pomanders. It requires judgment calls as opposed to just using them willy-nilly as you would during story floors.

I think people were expecting them to keep the challenge, but get rid of the silly limitations. They didn't. and they didn't even keep the challenge; only three sets of floors apparently are difficult at all. They actually overall nerfed the experience when no one really complained; I shouldn't be able to duo 1-40 with a friend with no wipes and not even breaking a sweat ever. This is what befuddles me.

Doing PotD Floor 200 or HoH Floor 100 with randoms? No. Then the challenge of the content doesn’t even match the challenge you’d face with matched parties charging into rooms and popping pomanders the second you find them. I understand completely why they don’t allow matched to do the harder floors.

Harder PotD floors started at 151+, only truly getting their punches in at 181+. HoH starts at 50, where you have to start being cautious, and then at 71+, you can no longer pull several mobs at once. And if you end up with 2 or 3 on you, you have to actually strategize depending on which ones they are. Got a mob that enrages and one-shots? Prioritize him. Another mob that has an attack/self-buff that needs to be stunned? Make sure to watch for that and stun it.

You’ve only been to HoH Floor 40; I don’t think you can really speak about what the higher floors are like without at least having some knowledge or experience of them. Duoing to Floor 40 is just about the same as how I duo’d to Floor 175 in PotD. I know two other friends that duo’d to the 190s.

Its the same as the stupid namazu quests. You know what you do with them as a fisher? You go to the mark, they tell you where to fish, and the very first fish you get is it. Fishing one time. There's no real reason to nerf them like that; as fishers, we really don't mind fishing for a bit. They keep doing these weird little gameplayless decisions, like doma rebuilding and fashion report.

Because the Ixali beast tribe quests were difficult for fisher? No, they just took longer. Beast tribes have always been easy; Namazu quests being easy shouldn’t be a surprise at this point.