Confused about people's obsession with open world raids/dungeons.

[Fiosha_Maureiba]

Chiming in on the bot bid, that's one more competitor to the content that does not need to be there. A competitor that cannot be reasoned with, never sleeps, and doesn't go away under most circumstances.

If claim systems worked based off of damage dealt, this would be less an issue (as a duo or party, can still compete against that).

Disclaimer: I am not against open-world content. I am for a balance of open-world and instanced content. I am for separation of good loot from quest mobs. Grant a chance for any stronghold enemy to drop a key (key based on their difficulty).

[Coglin]

FFXI's Garuda Server was plagued by RMTs and Botters and quite heavily for a number of years. There was one group of RMTs that got Fafhog 25 times in a row.

My point here is that this is FFXIV nor FFXI , and now is the time to turn the heat up on resoling the issue the correct way. I much prefere that over every ones post replying about how FFXI was.

The way I see it. If you do not take a stand and put pressure on the issue to correctly enforce the rules we have, there is no reason for anyone to take you seriously when your option is to limit gameplay choices.

We need to start putting pressure on SE as a community to enforce rules against griefing and botting properly. They need to police the issue, not restrict ame play for it.

[Richard_BG]

i love that none of the hardcore "against OW content due to botting in XI" have brought up NMs like Ixion and Sandworm that were practically impossible to bot unless you were the luckiest person on the face of the earth. Or like CURRENT XIV OW NMs like Dodore/Uraeus which are a good step towards the right direction.

[Corrderio]

i love that none of the hardcore "against OW content due to botting in XI" have brought up NMs like Ixion and Sandworm that were practically impossible to bot unless you were the luckiest person on the face of the earth. Or like CURRENT XIV OW NMs like Dodore/Uraeus which are a good step towards the right direction.

Actually there were bots for SW/DI IIRC. Not the typical claim type, but something that would scan the entire zone for targets to see if they popped in that area or not.

[Amsai]

Well I do have to agree with how those 2 NMs were handled Richard, but still my argument is just allow multiple paths, im against Direct PVE competition, save it for PvP.

[Richard_BG]

Actually there were bots for SW/DI IIRC. Not the typical claim type, but something that would scan the entire zone for targets to see if they popped in that area or not.

And in XIV there are POS hack bots that take you from the start of DH to Batraal (after clearing) - so we should stop designing instanced content too right? Genius.

Well I do have to agree with how those 2 NMs were handled Richard, but still my argument is just allow multiple paths, im against Direct PVE competition, save it for PvP.

Well then your opinion is no better than Wiisams - which isn't necessarily a problem when we're discussing opinions but when applied to how content is to be designed for a game it becomes a huge issue. More options to accomodate EVERYONE regardless of who might exploit it is the way to design games. Figuring out how to stop the exploits in your content should be just as important as catering to everyone.

[wish12oz]

i love that none of the hardcore "against OW content due to botting in XI" have brought up NMs like Ixion and Sandworm that were practically impossible to bot unless you were the luckiest person on the face of the earth. Or like CURRENT XIV OW NMs like Dodore/Uraeus which are a good step towards the right direction.

Botting SW and DI was actually a much bigger advantage then mobs like fafhogg and behemoth. For DI/SW you used scanner, APradar and clipper. Scanner would scan the zone you were in every other second or so and tell you in LS chat when DI or SW spawned and which zone, then APradar would tell you which direction to run in to get to them immediately when they spawned, and clipper let you run at 800% movement speed so you could get to them and claim them before any none-cheaters even knew they were up.

Any questions?

My point here is that this is FFXIV nor FFXI , and now is the time to turn the heat up on resoling the issue the correct way.

This is FFXIV, not FFXI, but unfortunately the decade of failure by SE on FFXI's behalf is what taints the view of us who played FFXI. It would be nice if SE did something about the rampant cheating in FFXIV, but they haven't done anything yet, and it's been a year already.

And in XIV there are POS hack bots that take you from the start of DH to Batraal (after clearing) - so we should stop designing instanced content too right? Genius.

While this isn't really ok, it doesn't make other people unable to go fight Batraal. Which is the problem with OW claim bots.

[Corrderio]

And in XIV there are POS hack bots that take you from the start of DH to Batraal (after clearing) - so we should stop designing instanced content too right? Genius.

How the hell do instances have anything to do with what I said? You said it was impossible to bot SW/DI, and I showed you it is more possible than you're letting on.

[Coglin]

Any questions?

ME Me me, (raises hand) pick me....I have a question.

How is it that after all the post to clearify, you still fail to grasp the concept that this is FFXIV?

Again, this is FFXIV not FFXI, and we are attepting to influence the developers to make posotive changes in patterns and systems that favor a variey of options from instances to open world choices.

You appear highly resistant to grasping on to which game this is, and even more resistant to asit in being a posotive influence.

Second question, why do you prefere to be part of the problem in this respect, instead of part of the solution?

[Tango]

How the hell do instances have anything to do with what I said? You said it was impossible to bot SW/DI, and I showed you it is more possible than you're letting on.

Practically impossible does not mean impossible; learn2read