Confused about people's obsession with open world raids/dungeons.

[Firon]

Excluding yourself from doing things is fine, people's cheating excluding you from being able to participate from things you want to get stuff from is a bad thing. I don't understand how you are so dim witted you cannot understand this. Do you even want this game to succeed? If people can't do the limited amount of content there is, they will leave and play something else, simple as that. You seem to think this is a good thing, can you explain why?



People tried that in FF11, it didn't work. Good bots are not detectable.

I played FF 11 for years every time someone did not get claimed they call a GM said X ls was botting. People will claim you are in xi even if you was on ps2 >.>. when people start yelling but it poped Purple you no one to blame but your self.

[Charismatic]

I played FF 11 for years every time someone did not get claimed they call a GM said X ls was botting. People will claim you are in xi even if you was on ps2 >.>. when people start yelling but it poped Purple you no one to blame but your self.

Are you attempting to imply that botting wasn't rampant in XI with this post?

[NadienKirisame]

Are you attempting to imply that botting wasn't rampant in XI with this post?

What he is probably implying is not that botting didn't happen it is that some people would say others are bots yet the person in question is playing from a PS2 and can't really be a bot...

I curious as to why this thread is still growing in posts... really... lets just have both and have both be equally rewarding and go on our happy ways... it is pointless to remove one or the other and makes more sense to have both so that all will be happy with it... then again you humans do complain and rage at each other over nothing and anything anyways so why am I even bothering??

the cat is bemused =-.-=

[Amsai]

I dont have a problem having both Instanced and OW content. As long as each has the same/similar rewards. I for instance would be strongly opposed if there was a bad ass shield that could only be gotten through OW content. I dont want OW content and I dont want to do it, and would feel put out and upset if the only way I could get said shield is by doing what I dont want to do.

Now as long as I had an Instanced alternative for getting said bad ass shield, all would be well.

[Richard_BG]

I dont have a problem having both Instanced and OW content. As long as each has the same/similar rewards. I for instance would be strongly opposed if there was a bad ass shield that could only be gotten through OW content. I dont want OW content and I dont want to do it, and would feel put out and upset if the only way I could get said shield is by doing what I dont want to do.

Now as long as I had an Instanced alternative for getting said bad ass shield, all would be well.

I'm all for having equally powered rewards in instancing an OW content. All for it. But you also have to realize that the gear likely isn't going to be the same in terms of there being a Lv.50 shield from an instance and the same Lv.50 shield from an OW NM. That just isn't practical. If you want to be min/max you'll likely have to do both types of content.

[weeble]

gear that is similar in both is like killing one of the contents for people that want to do it all. i'm for choices and stuff but not in this manner. if there is open world and instance they should all be different rewards.different pieces of gear or slots something that makes doing both relevant. i doubt SE would make content where only some people would want to do it or half do the other instead of making good on all there resources for all to use. this is probably why i feel you can't have both, a game is either made for some types of gameplay or others. ...otherwise it's just half a game.

[Richard_BG]

gear that is similar in both is like killing one of the contents for people that want to do it all. i'm for choices and stuff but not in this manner. if there is open world and instance they should all be different rewards.different pieces of gear or slots something that makes doing both relevant. i doubt SE would make content where only some people would want to do it or half do the other instead of making good on all there resources for all to use. this is probably why i feel you can't have both, a game is either made for some types of gameplay or others. ...otherwise it's just half a game.

yet in FFXI you had a majority of the endgame linkshells doing Ground HNM, Dynamis, Sky/Sea trigger HNM, Limbus, Einherjar, Salvage, Nyzul and Abyssea all at the same time. Then you had linkshells who focused specifically on certain content based on their personal goals. It worked and can work in XIV if done properly. As long as there are no proverbial D.Rings, Ridills or Adaberks from ONE single type of content and everything is similar in usefulness/power (aside from the obvious endgame legendaries) then it will work.

[Amsai]

Yea, thats why I said similar/same before. It wouldnt have to be the exact same item but it would need to be similar enough. Alternatively lets say that there is a sword and shield set that is OW only and then a Sword and shield set that is Instanced only. What if an item by themselves was different but together you got relatively the same stats? You know, basically the same overall stats, but distributed differently throughout a a set of gear. And of course a different design. I think that would create enough variation so that each content could be viable and worthwhile.

[Jynx]

Explain to me how you can't explore an instance? It'sa "new area" just like any you visit. That involves exploration. Don't be dense.

Exploration and "Visiting" are two different things. When I explore I can do it whenever I want, I don't need 7 other people or need to be a specific rank to enter the area.

You don't "Explore" a instance you experience the on rails ride the developers set for you.

[weeble]

not one of ffxi's endgames had the "same" gear though. at most they all had full sets and maybe 1-2 items in them that you would want for each class other then getting the rest so you can store it on npc. if a nm had a sword of gluttony and a instance had it, one of the 2 content = not a point in doing though. and also most will just pick the easiest route. in ffxi all those content were all worth doing if wanted to. yes you could do all week sky ls or do a sky/sea ls but they all had there reasons to be there. if they both had the same gear it would literally void one of them. ffxi did a great job in keeping all gear wanted and i loved that and hopefully they shape up and get back to that focus.