Remove the Grand Company aspect entirely from Frontline

[Zalestra]

I truly do not understand the mentality in this thread right now. Why is everyone hating on pre-mades when that is clearly not the problem! Pre-mades are forced into freelance status, which arguably means any pre-mades should be placed into a random GC.

This would not lead to the /real/ issue we have right now, which is that Mael has an unfairly high win rate. This is backed up by the Frontline standings on the lodestone: 23 of the top 30 players are on Maelstrom. This CAN'T be a coincidence, and isn't, as many freelance players (myself included) are constantly stacked into Flames and have statistically low win rates (5 -15%). Mael is just winning far more often than the other 2 GC.

Obviously what is /actually/ happening is that many talented PVP players are swapping to Maelstrom and solo queueing. So a large majority of the talent pool is concentrated into 1 GC. It seems like a premade because they just know how to friggen work together and how to actually PVP. They probably also have good leadership and shot calling.

The other 2 GC will then get slotted with a lot of newbies or FL roulette people who don't give a frigg about tactics or even trying to win. Adder doesn't seem as poor off as Flames, but they seem to have more dedicated PVPers as well.

The only real and fair solution is to remove GC queueing. Nothing else will solve this problem the PVP community has painted itself into. I am sure that many Mael players who are busy farming achievements and mounts will be against this solution, but we need to solve this sickness before Frontline dies again. With talent being spread more evenly, more matches will be less frustrating and depend on players sharpening their skill. Newbies won't give up, we can teach better, queue times should be better for everyone. Plz SE

[Hellstorm]

I truly do not understand the mentality in this thread right now. Why is everyone hating on pre-mades when that is clearly not the problem

You are half right. While premade are currently not the problem they would be if you took away th GC. Only way to solve the problem is to make it freelance, no group que and evaluate exp by amount of effort put in.

[Elktrinity]

People don't want to play without insane advantages because they like to faceroll people, not actually PVP. Take away any bonuses, buffs, gear, etc. and no one would like it. Why? It would require ACTUAL skill to play (assuming the classes are balanced - HUGE assumption there since they aren't) and they want the instant gratification (to them) that comes with destroying their opponent and then dancing on their corpse like a disrespectful coward. You have to remember, PVP in general attracts the WORST people on the internet, let alone the worst of people in the real world. I get that devs need money so they have to attract all types of players, but games turned into more of a business and less of a passion (unless your passion is money and greed), so instant gratification wins the day. I do the daily and that's it. Frontline, Rival Wings is broken and not fun at all. Feast is a step in the right direction and I hope they continue to refine it.

[Beckett]

Why is everyone hating on pre-mades when that is clearly not the problem! Pre-mades are forced into freelance status, which arguably means any pre-mades should be placed into a random GC.

That's not how pre-mades work in this context. Frontline pre-mades consist of 24 people of the same GC (Adders) queuing individually for Frontline at the same time (with Freelancer turned off) and hoping to get into the same match. The majority of the time this works, and allows a full alliance to queue together, instead of being limited to parties of 8.

I would just like to add to the myth of the pre-made, the only reason why those pre-mades are successful are because they're skilled and communicative. The average PvP player is unskilled, and that's a fact

A pre-made using voice chat (and especially a pre-made of 24 people) is going to have a large advantage over pugs using text to communicate.

Are there ever people making call-outs on Adders and Flames (especially Flames) on objectives?

On Aether, Flames often have callouts, but they play much more conservatively. They know they'll get slaughtered in an outright confrontation with either of the other GCs, so they'll get the objective and then run away as fast as possible. Very occasionally they can be talked into trying to pince the pre-made Adder Battle Highs/Fevers, but they'll usually break the assault as soon as a couple of people on their team die.

For Adders, I've only been in the non-pre-made groups, and those do have callouts, but play nothing like the deathsquads of the pre-mades.

Nimue, its been this way on primal for at least a year. Since the tail end of HW, when they nerfed exp, if I remember. There's been zero migration, and mael has been having 80% win rates for that long.

The exact same thing happened with IF, back in the day (on Aether). Flames won the vast majority of matches for ages, but eventually they got inundated by bad players who switched to IF for easy victories and IF became the worse GC in Frontlines. It may take awhile, but Maelstrom won't stay on top forever.

[Zalestra]

That's not how pre-mades work in this context. Frontline pre-mades consist of 24 people of the same GC (Adders) queuing individually for Frontline at the same time (with Freelancer turned off) and hoping to get into the same match. The majority of the time this works, and allows a full alliance to queue together, instead of being limited to parties of 8.

If that is the definition of pre-made you are using, then there is nothing SE can even do about it. ASIDE FROM removing being allowed to queue for your GC. Which is what I am already for. So that just supports my argument further.

There is literally no reason to keep GC PVP queuing anymore. It is only being used for trickery at this point.