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    As an Adder, I absolutely agree. I can either fight and lose for my free company, or freelance and have a significantly higher chance of winning.

    The only other option I can see to help the situation would be if people playing in GCs that lose frequently get some sort of extra reward for supporting an underdog. Not sure how much it would actually help but it might make losing almost every match a little less painful.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hazmick View Post
    The only other option I can see to help the situation would be if people playing in GCs that lose frequently get some sort of extra reward for supporting an underdog. Not sure how much it would actually help but it might make losing almost every match a little less painful.
    you get increased wolf marks if you are a on a losing streak, but the problem is virtually all the achievements require wins. Up to 200 or so.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kai_Lee View Post
    You know you can switch to a healer for your team. If you are wanting to win, it means playing the role least played and doing whatever it takes to help your team win.
    ...you really have to like healing to do it, healing in fl is often watching your team go off in four ways and there is only one of you.
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    Last edited by RiyahArp; 07-12-2018 at 12:58 PM.

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    I like to win and if it helps then yeah I will switch to a healer but I also can play brd if we have to many healers on our team. I also do call outs and Mark targets. I do know the pain of playing with adders and flames, even with call outs and marking targets they tend to not care and go do their own thing. But you be surprise you might get lucky with a competent flames or adders group.
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    Getting people to listen is like trying to herd cats. Every Flames and Adders team I get put on I see so many comments of "I'm just here for the glamor" in response to people trying to organize them so they aren't running around like headless chickens. I can understand you're only doing this content because you're "forced" to, but you can at least try if someone's taking the time to provide direction.

    I'm also convinced SE just likes to troll me. It'll put me on Flames 90% of the time, and the one time they actually manage to win, I'll be on Adders instead that game. Well played, SE. Well played.
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    This is from my good friend Lace Valeria

    From Lace Valeria:
    I've had my eye on this thread for some time, and I do share some of the frustrations here. I would like to say the answer isn't to simply remove the GC aspect from Frontlines, as that's not really a fix for the bigger issue, but perhaps an enforced Freelancer is. Yes, it sounds bad. It sounds like you're losing even more freedom of choice, but consider that people who already choose to queue with friends or as a full premade already have Freelancer enforced on them.
    What's been happening - more so on Primal than Aether, but I'm aware it happens on both, Aether to a lesser degree - is that people have convinced themselves that they have to swap to a GC (in this case, Maelstrom) and turn Freelancer off, effectively creating a "stable" pool of players that will consistently fill the queues for that single GC, which effectively force filters anyone and everyone else (except premades) into the other two, in a way, taking advantage of the premade concept, but bypassing Freelancer entirely. Not really a foul, but it's a tad underhanded when an actual premade is still bound by the Freelancer rule.
    Plus, let me say this now, and the next time you hear someone looking at GCs/the general team designation (i.e. Ravens/Falcons for Rival Wings) as the big issue when it comes to overall success: THERE IS NO SUBSTITUTE FOR SKILL OR KNOWLEDGE.
    Let's rip the bandage off here; if you're not good, switching to a GC that is filled with good players will not simply make you good. You're just being carried at that point. Carried, or dragging down those good players by relying on them to do what's right and make the right moves while you perhaps continue to not do so. And I'll say from firsthand witness, I've seen a LOT of people make a LOT of bad calls, avoidable mistakes, attempt to play passively from a losing position, and generally not make the right choices that could turn a match around. Swapping GCs to bypass the random matching of Freelancer or removing GCs entirely will not fix these fundamental issues. Learning what to do and how to do it, exercising better situational and map awareness, and being proactive rather than reactive in combat is a big step toward solving the bigger issue and closing the skill gap.
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    Queue for Rival Wings on Saturday nights
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    I still prefer removing freelance. You can't get any consistency from Adders or Flames otherwise. It still tipped Mael, but both were much better off before people were freelancing. In time, that could ahve changed. Now I see Adders and Flames not even try to win half the matches they are in. They just fight for second. However, removing grand companies removes the whole point of frontlines. It supposed to be a friendly competition... a bragging right thing. But there are no bragging rights for Mael here. Some of the people they are beating were Mael from the start.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zsolen View Post
    I still prefer removing freelance. You can't get any consistency from Adders or Flames otherwise. It still tipped Mael, but both were much better off before people were freelancing. In time, that could ahve changed. Now I see Adders and Flames not even try to win half the matches they are in. They just fight for second. However, removing grand companies removes the whole point of frontlines. It supposed to be a friendly competition... a bragging right thing. But there are no bragging rights for Mael here. Some of the people they are beating were Mael from the start.
    No, then we get back to those obscene wait times and broken teams.
    How removing GC queue will remove the point of FL? It's just novelty.

    If everyone is freelancing, the game would queue up much faster, it could even balance roles much better between teams as it would draw players from the same pool.

    Not removing FC queue means people will keep changing to the FC with higher win rate.
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    If queues are longer, those with the ability to actually win will move to GCs with faster queue times, because they don't need 'the best GC' to win.
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    Kurumii Tokisakii
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zsolen View Post
    If queues are longer, those with the ability to actually win will move to GCs with faster queue times, because they don't need 'the best GC' to win.
    No because people will stop to que up completly. We've already been there for a long time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Canadane View Post
    Good talk, all. Glad we had it.
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