Selling Ultimate Weapon Ultima Is Apparently Not Against the ToS

[AxlStream]

Snip snip.

Your standard is all good and dandy but it is irrelevant in this matter. The system says I qualify for Ultimate and actually am participating in said content so obviously I have a right to my opinion on this matter. Players who do not even have access to it should keep their mouths shut and focus on actually getting there. Also obviously as far as selling goes, my stance remains, just mad because you can't sell it yourself. You're actually upset people make a good chunk of change out of selling clears because they are good enough for it.

[NephthysVasudan]

That's the point. I am repeating the mentality displayed by him and other players who seem to believe that you have to had cleared something to speak about this issue. What's embarrassing is not looking at the context of what was posted only a few posts before. I keep saying that everyone should be able to talk about this issue, but players baring others because of some standard they set is just wrong. So for hyperbole, I set up my own standard which he didn't meet, thereby helping him understand how baring others isn't productive. It's really bizarre that I have to explain this.



No one reads anymore.

If your going to say...say it...don't play games....and don't accuse people of not reading when you don't even say what you where saying in the first place.

[HyoMinPark]

No one reads anymore.

I can read just fine. Thank you for your concern. All I see is you being petty and taking personal shots because his opinion on the matter differs from yours. Because I do agree with him--if people aren't even clearing God, why are they concerning themselves with Ultimate sales? Why is anyone getting up in arms about people doing whatever with their money? If you're morally against it, that's fine. I don't agree with the practice of buying and selling either. But I've also stopped concerning myself with what strangers on the Internet do with their money. Not like I could stop them anyways.

If you were trying to make a point, do so without the petty ad hominem next time.

[KisaiTenshi]

That's the point. I am repeating the mentality displayed by him and other players who seem to believe that you have to had cleared something to speak about this issue. What's embarrassing is not looking at the context of what was posted only a few posts before. I keep saying that everyone should be able to talk about this issue, but players baring others because of some standard they set is just wrong. So for hyperbole, I set up my own standard which he didn't meet, thereby helping him understand how baring others isn't productive. It's really bizarre that I have to explain this.

No one reads anymore.

Welcome to the forums where people remember you for saying things they don't agree with, and then try to shame you into shutting up. That is a typical bully tactic.

It is against the ToS to engage in RMT, just like it's against the ToS to use third party tools. You can not say one is worse than the other, when it carries the same weight. There is nothing in the ToS about having played/cleared content before talking about it, because if that were the case there would be no way to get people hyped about it, and players wouldn't go on a virtual protest when things are changed in ways they don't like.

[Tiaque]

I can read just fine. Thank you for your concern. All I see is you being petty and taking personal shots because his opinion on the matter differs from yours. Because I do agree with him--if people aren't even clearing God, why are they concerning themselves with Ultimate sales? Why is anyone getting up in arms about people doing whatever with their money? If you're morally against it, that's fine. I don't agree with the practice of buying and selling either. But I've also stopped concerning myself with what strangers on the Internet do with their money. Not like I could stop them anyways.

If you were trying to make a point, do so without the petty ad hominem next time.

But Lady Park, are the sellers not only selling ultimates, but also selling God Clears as well? Just so they can also sell the ultimate clear?


Back then in 2.0 I belonged in a elite group that sold Extreme Primal clears, as well as Twintania, Nael and Bahamut wins, and we often would sell clears for the prior runs so they could buy the more expensive final boss clear of that tier. Though, at this time their was no cross server, and all payments were in Gil and Gil only.

Had a fellow give us 400M Gil to take him thru the entirety of Coil once. But yea....I suspect if they sell Ultimate, they will sell the run to get you to ultimate as well. Thus the concern I believe? Though, carrying a person thus essentially 7 manning the content did provide a fun challenge.

[Jijifli]

I used your post to make a general point, not to attack your "obvious joke".

I just like to make jokes that anyone with a diamond/ultima weapon totally paid $1200 for it.

But yes, you were right. Your first clear will always be low, because you're still figuring out where you can squeeze more.

[Rubiss]

Your standard is all good and dandy but it is irrelevant in this matter. The system says I qualify for Ultimate and actually am participating in said content so obviously I have a right to my opinion on this matter. Players who do not even have access to it should keep their mouths shut and focus on actually getting there. Also obviously as far as selling goes, my stance remains, just mad because you can't sell it yourself. You're actually upset people make a good chunk of change out of selling clears because they are good enough for it.

Your stance is still contradictory because I could just as easily relent on Ultimate and say I'm upset about the selling of O8S, which I am more than capable of carrying people through. Also claiming I am "mad" because I can't sell it doesn't address anything I've said on the morals of selling for real money, how it breaks the ToS and how it is blatantly advertised. All you've said is "you're mad you can't sell it" which doesn't actually... do anything. Like even if I was mad, I mean, okay? And this somehow diminishes the point I've made how?

If your going to say...say it...don't play games....and don't accuse people of not reading when you don't even say what you where saying in the first place.

I did say it, a few posts earlier. If you followed the comment chain between me and this individual it would be clear. Sorry you didn't, but that's not exactly my problem.

I can read just fine. Thank you for your concern. All I see is you being petty and taking personal shots because his opinion on the matter differs from yours. Because I do agree with him--if people aren't even clearing God, why are they concerning themselves with Ultimate sales? Why is anyone getting up in arms about people doing whatever with their money? If you're morally against it, that's fine. I don't agree with the practice of buying and selling either. But I've also stopped concerning myself with what strangers on the Internet do with their money. Not like I could stop them anyways.

If you were trying to make a point, do so without the petty ad hominem next time.

You're missing the point. By excluding people from the conversation, what does that accomplish? The selling of content has nothing to do with whether someone else can clear it. How is that a requirement to have an opinion on it? If you want to be exclusionary in regards to who is allowed to have an opinion on something, then you should accept when you yourself don't meet the standard someone else has set for the conversation. My "petty shots" were simply me applying my own standard to the conversation, which both of you did. If you find it petty, then so be it.

I'm trying not to exclude anyone from talking about this. You two are doing the exact opposite. Anyone can discuss. Saying, "you shouldn't even be allowed to talk about this" is absolutely hilarious when said on a public forum.

[Rita1989]

But I do wish they would still put in a 3rd ultimate and do 3 per expansion hell, why not 4 per expansion? .

I feel like the clear rate kind of speaks for itself on why they are never adding more then 2, it was already incredibly low but its actually even lower when consider a portion of the clears are sold and a portion are probably alt characters sellers use specifically for selling content.

On the whole selling issue, I just think its hypocritical to be extremely hard on 1 type of RMT and completely turn a blind eye on another.

[NephthysVasudan]

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The issue is not gil...its HOW...they are doing it...cross world.

I See them selling anything and everything under the shade. Cross-world
Where there are limits on gil transfers....and everything else in-between. The kind of thing that would be an utter nightmare/pain in the rear to achieve at the prices you inferred.

The fact they practically demand discord upfront...out of game conversations....is just a little too convenient for my tastes. It would be different if it was above board.....then yeah..go for it...not that I agree with it.
But RMT...is RMT....and I really wish SE would look into it.

*honestly people buying clears is bad enough as it is...not that I can stop them...but selling them via RMT is far worse.*

[Jijifli]

Your stance is still contradictory because I could just as easily relent on Ultimate and say I'm upset about the selling of O8S, which I am more than capable of carrying people through. Also claiming I am "mad" because I can't sell it doesn't address anything I've said on the morals of selling for real money, how it breaks the ToS and how it is blatantly advertised. All you've said is "you're mad you can't sell it" which doesn't actually... do anything. Like even if I was mad, I mean, okay? And this somehow diminishes the point I've made how?

Adding onto this, BECAUSE people sell the clears, we can't say only people who are on progression or have the weapon can comment on that. Because people could just as easily buy their way in if they have a big enough wallet, and then argue it's fine because they got the clear themself, pretending they didn't just spend over a grand on it.

Are there lots of people like that? No. Are there? Yep. And not actually joking on this like I was poking before on another post, I bet there is one here right now.