Selling Ultimate Weapon Ultima Is Apparently Not Against the ToS

[HyoMinPark]

No one reads anymore.

I can read just fine. Thank you for your concern. All I see is you being petty and taking personal shots because his opinion on the matter differs from yours. Because I do agree with him--if people aren't even clearing God, why are they concerning themselves with Ultimate sales? Why is anyone getting up in arms about people doing whatever with their money? If you're morally against it, that's fine. I don't agree with the practice of buying and selling either. But I've also stopped concerning myself with what strangers on the Internet do with their money. Not like I could stop them anyways.

If you were trying to make a point, do so without the petty ad hominem next time.

[Tiaque]

I can read just fine. Thank you for your concern. All I see is you being petty and taking personal shots because his opinion on the matter differs from yours. Because I do agree with him--if people aren't even clearing God, why are they concerning themselves with Ultimate sales? Why is anyone getting up in arms about people doing whatever with their money? If you're morally against it, that's fine. I don't agree with the practice of buying and selling either. But I've also stopped concerning myself with what strangers on the Internet do with their money. Not like I could stop them anyways.

If you were trying to make a point, do so without the petty ad hominem next time.

But Lady Park, are the sellers not only selling ultimates, but also selling God Clears as well? Just so they can also sell the ultimate clear?


Back then in 2.0 I belonged in a elite group that sold Extreme Primal clears, as well as Twintania, Nael and Bahamut wins, and we often would sell clears for the prior runs so they could buy the more expensive final boss clear of that tier. Though, at this time their was no cross server, and all payments were in Gil and Gil only.

Had a fellow give us 400M Gil to take him thru the entirety of Coil once. But yea....I suspect if they sell Ultimate, they will sell the run to get you to ultimate as well. Thus the concern I believe? Though, carrying a person thus essentially 7 manning the content did provide a fun challenge.

[NephthysVasudan]

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The issue is not gil...its HOW...they are doing it...cross world.

I See them selling anything and everything under the shade. Cross-world
Where there are limits on gil transfers....and everything else in-between. The kind of thing that would be an utter nightmare/pain in the rear to achieve at the prices you inferred.

The fact they practically demand discord upfront...out of game conversations....is just a little too convenient for my tastes. It would be different if it was above board.....then yeah..go for it...not that I agree with it.
But RMT...is RMT....and I really wish SE would look into it.

*honestly people buying clears is bad enough as it is...not that I can stop them...but selling them via RMT is far worse.*

[Tiaque]

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True, sadly nothing can be done for it. I know most who plays mmos do not wish to bring the real world into it but where their is a chance for greed, no matter how unfair it is, their will be those who will take advantage of it. Even worse is when they try to justify it.

If SE wishes to punish these players, they would need to assign a few GMs to watch for this activity and IP Track, but even then their are many ways to trick the GMs on this. The advertiser for the runs could utilize a VPN along with a dummy account on it, the user can also avoid scrutiny by utilizing Jump potions to take that account and character to 60, then spend at least a day to take it to 70.

The GMs would then have to utilize a search thru all logs for anyone who gets a Clear, and monitor them for sudden IP changes or any lack of communication with the party they got the clear with. That would take far too much time and man hours for the GMs to do, which they already have Gil selling/making RMTs to deal with as is. It would also be circumstantial as evidence.

Thus in the end, nothing can really be done. They could enforce something like being required to clear O1 to O4S with the same exact group, and then you must have that exact matched group to do Bahamut, then the same for O5 to O8S for Ultimate. It will alleviate much of the problem, but it will only stop most, the big whales will just simply pay the sellers for the entirety of the Runs they need then.

Greed always finds a way. That is the world we live in.

[NephthysVasudan]

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Actually they wouldn't need to work that hard.
They just need a few names....and start accepting screenshots from sources that are acceptable. With collaborating evidence.
If Microsoft can do it... PSN can do it..why not them?

For some reason they won't.
I already know the answer to that question (At least the most plausible one)....and that answer would spark a major argument/discussion of a different matter...I'd rather avoid that.
*Feel free to ping me in-game or discord if you want to chat about it :P*

But yes..greed tends to rule the day in the end.

[Tiaque]

Actually they wouldn't need to work that hard.
They just need a few names....and start accepting screenshots from sources that are acceptable. With collaborating evidence.
If Microsoft can do it... PSN can do it..why not them?

For some reason they won't.
I already know the answer to that question (At least the most plausible one)....and that answer would spark a major argument/discussion of a different matter...I'd rather avoid that.
*Feel free to ping me in-game or discord if you want to chat about it :P*

But yes..greed tends to rule the day in the end.

And where would these screenshots come from? The buyers themselves? A jilted team member of the static who did not get his share of the cut? A Jealous FC member? A special investigative GM who stalks a advertiser but likely lead to a dead end due to that advertiser being on a dummy account?

Their are just so many loop holes. In the end though yes, something can be done about all this, but gotta look at it from a Suits perspective. Would it make them more money in the end to justify the cost of man hours and personnel to dedicate to something small like this?

In the end, its all about the Moola.

[NephthysVasudan]

And where would these screenshots come from? The buyers themselves? A jilted team member of the static who did not get his share of the cut? A Jealous FC member? A special investigative GM who stalks a advertiser but likely lead to a dead end due to that advertiser being on a dummy account?

Their are just so many loop holes. In the end though yes, something can be done about all this, but gotta look at it from a Suits perspective. Would it make them more money in the end to justify the cost of man hours and personnel to dedicate to something small like this?

In the end, its all about the Moola.

Please bother to read my post in full before you ramble off.

[Jijifli]

If SE wishes to punish these players, they would need to assign a few GMs to watch for this activity and IP Track, but even then their are many ways to trick the GMs on this. The advertiser for the runs could utilize a VPN along with a dummy account on it, the user can also avoid scrutiny by utilizing Jump potions to take that account and character to 60, then spend at least a day to take it to 70.

They already use dummy characters. I've been seeing adverts from characters that names have references to the content (Which I won't list, can't name and shame) instead of using their mains. So if they make a mistake they aren't dead on their mains. XD

[Rubiss]

Your standard is all good and dandy but it is irrelevant in this matter. The system says I qualify for Ultimate and actually am participating in said content so obviously I have a right to my opinion on this matter. Players who do not even have access to it should keep their mouths shut and focus on actually getting there. Also obviously as far as selling goes, my stance remains, just mad because you can't sell it yourself. You're actually upset people make a good chunk of change out of selling clears because they are good enough for it.

Your stance is still contradictory because I could just as easily relent on Ultimate and say I'm upset about the selling of O8S, which I am more than capable of carrying people through. Also claiming I am "mad" because I can't sell it doesn't address anything I've said on the morals of selling for real money, how it breaks the ToS and how it is blatantly advertised. All you've said is "you're mad you can't sell it" which doesn't actually... do anything. Like even if I was mad, I mean, okay? And this somehow diminishes the point I've made how?

If your going to say...say it...don't play games....and don't accuse people of not reading when you don't even say what you where saying in the first place.

I did say it, a few posts earlier. If you followed the comment chain between me and this individual it would be clear. Sorry you didn't, but that's not exactly my problem.

I can read just fine. Thank you for your concern. All I see is you being petty and taking personal shots because his opinion on the matter differs from yours. Because I do agree with him--if people aren't even clearing God, why are they concerning themselves with Ultimate sales? Why is anyone getting up in arms about people doing whatever with their money? If you're morally against it, that's fine. I don't agree with the practice of buying and selling either. But I've also stopped concerning myself with what strangers on the Internet do with their money. Not like I could stop them anyways.

If you were trying to make a point, do so without the petty ad hominem next time.

You're missing the point. By excluding people from the conversation, what does that accomplish? The selling of content has nothing to do with whether someone else can clear it. How is that a requirement to have an opinion on it? If you want to be exclusionary in regards to who is allowed to have an opinion on something, then you should accept when you yourself don't meet the standard someone else has set for the conversation. My "petty shots" were simply me applying my own standard to the conversation, which both of you did. If you find it petty, then so be it.

I'm trying not to exclude anyone from talking about this. You two are doing the exact opposite. Anyone can discuss. Saying, "you shouldn't even be allowed to talk about this" is absolutely hilarious when said on a public forum.

[Jijifli]

Your stance is still contradictory because I could just as easily relent on Ultimate and say I'm upset about the selling of O8S, which I am more than capable of carrying people through. Also claiming I am "mad" because I can't sell it doesn't address anything I've said on the morals of selling for real money, how it breaks the ToS and how it is blatantly advertised. All you've said is "you're mad you can't sell it" which doesn't actually... do anything. Like even if I was mad, I mean, okay? And this somehow diminishes the point I've made how?

Adding onto this, BECAUSE people sell the clears, we can't say only people who are on progression or have the weapon can comment on that. Because people could just as easily buy their way in if they have a big enough wallet, and then argue it's fine because they got the clear themself, pretending they didn't just spend over a grand on it.

Are there lots of people like that? No. Are there? Yep. And not actually joking on this like I was poking before on another post, I bet there is one here right now.