Sexual harassment

[BillyKaplan]

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LGM Enkrateia

I'm just going to leave this here because I think some people forgot...

[Kerwin]

Dont get me wrong. I sympathize for the abused.

But I hate seeing people who dont use common sense.

Calling people trolls for a difference of views and perspective. Quite childish.

[Rogatum]

While I am not going to say this case was untrue, but people lie on the internet. It seems as if people want the community to witch hunt those that are preserved as predators. Most of the time I do not think the community is provided enough evidence to make that call. Report it to SE, and the proper authorities if you feel your well being is at risk. I personally will never see a witch hunt as a valid reason, I still firmly believe in someone being Innocent until proven guilty.

Granted, I understand that those who have been personally impacted by such these tend to go based off their emotional response, and that is understandable. However, asking SE or the authorities to do the same just does not seem right. Nevertheless, let us try to keep this civil since as the GM mentioned it is possible to have a productive discussion.

[silverlunarfox]

Block and report does NOT work all the time. If a person has the means to make your life a misery, they can and they will.

I'm just going to point out this. If someone really wants to make your life hell they can, especially in this game where they can keep remaking characters. And most of the time, "proper authority" can't help you in situations like this.

I'm severely disappointed in some of the comments on this thread. The person in question specifically said not only did he get his kicks off this, but he also targeted the most vulnerable....Just because you arent in the position the victims are, that you can just easily "block and report" doesn't mean it makes it any less serious. As a lot of this fell outside the game there is also only so much SE can do about it. However, there is nothing wrong with adding awareness to the subject. Whether real life or virtual, all abuse is real. The fact jokes are being made and this is being blown off by some, makes me really sad for the state of the world. For we are but a few, however, these views are widely shared.

[Doozer]

The problem is kinda a double edge sword. Ofcourse you have *real victimes* of sexual harassment. But things can be made up very easy these days and because of these fakes the line of real and fake is thin.

You are aware that very rarely are accusations false, right? Sure there are some, but people don't usually accuse others of things like this because of the stigma and victim blaming that happens. There's no glory in accusing someone of sexually harassing or assaulting you.

And it's funny that people just say nothing can be done because SE doesn't have the power to do.... whatever it is they think we expect them to do. It's easier to shoulder the blame onto SE instead of admitting lots of us stand by and let sexual harassment happen.

Okay enjoy your abuse that you choose to embrace.

That "you" choose.

And that's....... a horrific statement. I'm actually kind of nauseous at the thought of someone actually believing people "choose to embrace" abuse.

[DDkiki]

You are aware that very rarely are accusations false, right? Sure there are some, but people don't usually accuse others of things like this because of the stigma and victim blaming that happens. There's no glory in accusing someone of sexually harassing or assaulting you.

And it's funny that people just say nothing can be done because SE doesn't have the power to do.... whatever it is they think we expect them to do. It's easier to shoulder the blame onto SE instead of admitting lots of us stand by and let sexual harassment happen.

I'd say its opposite - most accusation are false to gain something from it or ruin someone's life. You can look at gamergate and how all journos accused them in all possible sins in the world just to not get exposed themselves.

[Doozer]

I'd say its opposite - most accusation are false to gain something from it or ruin someone's life. You can look at gamergate and how all journos accused them in all possible sins in the world just to not get exposed themselves.

Oh, I thought you were done trolling. I guess not.

[Penthea]

I personally will never see a witch hunt as a valid reason, I still firmly believe in someone being Innocent until proven guilty.

The pc gamer article has numerous screenshots of that guy admitting to his abusive behaviour and that he is very aware that he has a talent for finding women who fall for his methods.

Also though he said he stepped down as editor of The Moogle Post, the truth is he gave login details for the magazine's social media accounts only to those who are on his side and he is now demanding the position of editor be returned to him. Him stepping down was a publicity stunt at best. He is hoping his allies will help him.

I'm not fond of witch hunting...but this guy is seriously asking for it. He just isn't stopping his manipulative behaviour. I suppose his ego has outgrown logic as he is too used to getting his way.

You can find out more detail on ffxiv reddit. I am not going to link it in case this is against any witch hunting related forum rules.

[BillyKaplan]

I'd say its opposite - most accusation are false to gain something from it or ruin someone's life.

The prevalence of false reporting is between 2% and 10%

Source

People aren't doing this thing for kicks.

[jameseoakes]

I'd say its opposite - most accusation are false to gain something from it or ruin someone's life. You can look at gamergate and how all journos accused them in all possible sins in the world just to not get exposed themselves.

Everything I saw about gamergate made it look like a vile cesspit that attracted the worst of the gaming community.