[Request] Add alternative methods to getting old Feast rewards

[Aviars]

If they put in just as much effort but maybe in a different way, yes, they absolutely deserve the same rewards.

So bronze overwatch players should get a top 500 border around their name for not being top 500? Very interesting.

[Awha]

Snip. . .

It is okay for you to have your opinion on the matter, not taking that away. At the core you saying if someone cheats or has an easier time and gets the same rewards as you in devalues the accomplishment. That is the issue I have, you are not saying it devalues it on a personal level, your claim is that it straight up devalues the item. Which is not true, since everyone places the value differently. Does that make more sense? Not saying what you are saying is not true for you, I am saying it may not be true for everyone.

[Aviars]

Does it make sense if you increase the number of Lamborghini's that they become less rare and valuable? Like a common corolla?

Also in this case if you directly make it cost less, aka make it easier to get top 100 rewards that also directly devalues it.

[MeganLynn]

Does it make sense if you increase the number of Lamborghini's that they become less rare and valuable? Like a common corolla?

Also in this case if you directly make it cost less, aka make it easier to get top 100 rewards that also directly devalues it.

/facepalm
To compare real life things to achievements in a video game tells you everything you need to know about this guy.
No use being here anymore. Take care and have a good day, every one.

[Aviars]

/facepalm
To compare real life things to achievements in a video game tells you everything you need to know about this guy.
No use being here anymore. Take care and have a good day, every one.

I'm still excited that you suggested that bronze players should get top 500 badges in Overwatch for not being top 500. Thank you for the input.

Also, Awha was making a claim about material value, there is nothing wrong with making a comparison of material value to a example in real life. Have a nice day ;]

Edit: Also ironic that you were the one making a ad hominem claiming people who disagree with you have no irl accomplishments..... haha

[Awha]

Does it make sense if you increase the number of Lamborghini's that they become less rare and valuable? Like a common corolla?

Also in this case if you directly make it cost less, aka make it easier to get top 100 rewards that also directly devalues it.

I will say this if I worked my ass off for a Lamborghini Aventador, and then one day they go on sale for 5 bucks. I still have the car and you can be sure I will be enjoying that car no matter how common they became. I mean I would hold off on driving it for a month or so to avoid people crashing into mine.

For you it is different, which is fine. You see what I am saying? You feel one way by a change, I feel another. Context also matters, that is why I try to avoid irl examples, I just brought up my irl view point to humor you, most people will not bother to humor such comparisons. I get what you are doing with the hypothetical situations.

[Aviars]

I will say this if I worked my ass off for a Lamborghini Aventador, and then one day they go on sale for 5 bucks. I still have the car and you can be sure I will be enjoying that car no matter how common they became. For you it is different, which is fine. You see what I am saying? You feel one way by a change, I feel another. Everyone has their own feelings so one cannot say. Context also matters, that is why I try to avoid irl examples, I just brought up my irl view point so humor you, most people will not bother to humor such comparisons. I get what you are doing with the hypothetical situations.

At this point what you feel about it doesn't matter. You made a claim that making it available to everyone doesn't lower its value in some way when it actually does. Which you so aptly admitted just now.


Also like I said to Megan, people that make claims of material value make irl examples relevant. Should I have made a comparison of those in game wool sweaters that cost millions of gil in the beginning compared to now? Is that more valid than what I just said? Pretty much no. they are both good examples of what happens when items become more common, just because one involves real life doesn't somehow make it less relevant than a in game example.

[Awha]

At this point what you feel about it doesn't matter. You made a claim that making it available to everyone doesn't lower its value in some way when it actually does. Which you so aptly admitted just now.


Also like I said to Megan, people that make claims of material value make irl examples relevant. Should I have made a comparison of those in game wool sweaters that cost millions of gil in the beginning compared to now? Is that more valid than what I just said? Pretty much no. they are both good examples of what happens when items become more common, just because one involves real life doesn't somehow make it less relevant than a in game example.

I never said it detracts from my value on my end, I said it detracts on your end which is fine, but why should I care if the value detracts from your end? The ingame example is makes more sense since in a video game people are more aloof with their money and it is easier to come by. With your irl example you are framing it in such a way to focus on someone attachment to value to an object outside of the game. Sure if someone spent over 500k for a car for it to be sold for 5 bucks later the normal reaction for most would be get upset. For some that amount of money would take 10 years to earn. In a game where you can make 5 million gil in a weekend same situation sort of does not hold imo. I get what you are trying to do with the hypothetical, and even in your example I never admitted that I would personal my value of the car would be lessened if more people hand it. I did say you properly would though, and I understand why you would, just as I understand why you would feel slighted if pvp rewards changes.

More or less you are saying because it detracts from your value no one outside the top 100 players should have the item. Which is fine, it is a selfish reason just as those that want the item simply because they want said item is selfish. So what makes your selfish desire more valid over another?

[Aviars]

I never said it detracts from my value on my end

Hundreds of thousands of dollars versus $5. Ya, apparently you didn't lose value there.

The ingame example is makes more sense since in a video game people are more aloof with their money and it is easier to come by. With your irl example you are framing it in such a way to focus on someone attachment to value to an object outside of the game. Sure if someone spent over 500k for a car for it to be sold for 5 bucks later the normal reaction for most would be get upset. For some that amount of money would take 10 years to earn. I get what you are trying to do with the hypothetical, and even in your example I never admitted that I would personal my value of the car would be lessened if more people hand it. I did say you properly would though, and I understand why you would, just as I understand why you would feel slighted if pvp rewards changes.

I am only talking about materialistic value. What you feel about it doesn't matter. Value was lost. There is no difference in that regard between the wool sweater in game to the cars irl. The example was referring to monetary value. You made the claim that the mounts and glamour would not lose any hard value, and this proves you wrong.

[Awha]

Hundreds of thousands of dollars versus $5. Ya, apparently you didn't lose value there.

I am only talking about materialistic value. What you feel about it doesn't matter. Value was lost. There is no difference in that regard between the wool sweater in game to the cars irl. The example was referring to monetary value. You made the claim that the mounts and glamour would not lose any hard value, and this proves you wrong.

So you are going based off objective value? I do not recall mentioning I hold objective value for such rewards, maybe I did thinks are starting to bleed together. Yes in the car example I would lose monetary value, but this was never about monetary value which can quantified. Changing the name of a Lambo to a razor scooter does not changes at the core it still a lambo changing it's name does not change the fact it is lambo. Now with the top 100 rewards if SE removes the phrase top 100 all that remains is reward. The phrase is what made it unique not the item itself. Unlike with the lambo it is the sum of its parts. You cannot go around calling a honda civic a lambo and charge 500k and expect people to bite. Granted yes the pvp community has had these exclusive rewards since season three, does not change the fact that outside that top 100 marker your item is no different from another item. If SE changes the name you lose the objective marker that could tag it as a top 100 reward. Since value achievement, and effort are 100% subjective so they have no hard value.

In the end you are saying the reason it should remain a reward for top 100 is because it is called a top 100 reward. If we get rid of the name what hard value does your mount have?