[Request] Add alternative methods to getting old Feast rewards

[Awha]

At this point what you feel about it doesn't matter. You made a claim that making it available to everyone doesn't lower its value in some way when it actually does. Which you so aptly admitted just now.


Also like I said to Megan, people that make claims of material value make irl examples relevant. Should I have made a comparison of those in game wool sweaters that cost millions of gil in the beginning compared to now? Is that more valid than what I just said? Pretty much no. they are both good examples of what happens when items become more common, just because one involves real life doesn't somehow make it less relevant than a in game example.

I never said it detracts from my value on my end, I said it detracts on your end which is fine, but why should I care if the value detracts from your end? The ingame example is makes more sense since in a video game people are more aloof with their money and it is easier to come by. With your irl example you are framing it in such a way to focus on someone attachment to value to an object outside of the game. Sure if someone spent over 500k for a car for it to be sold for 5 bucks later the normal reaction for most would be get upset. For some that amount of money would take 10 years to earn. In a game where you can make 5 million gil in a weekend same situation sort of does not hold imo. I get what you are trying to do with the hypothetical, and even in your example I never admitted that I would personal my value of the car would be lessened if more people hand it. I did say you properly would though, and I understand why you would, just as I understand why you would feel slighted if pvp rewards changes.

More or less you are saying because it detracts from your value no one outside the top 100 players should have the item. Which is fine, it is a selfish reason just as those that want the item simply because they want said item is selfish. So what makes your selfish desire more valid over another?

[Aviars]

I never said it detracts from my value on my end

Hundreds of thousands of dollars versus $5. Ya, apparently you didn't lose value there.

The ingame example is makes more sense since in a video game people are more aloof with their money and it is easier to come by. With your irl example you are framing it in such a way to focus on someone attachment to value to an object outside of the game. Sure if someone spent over 500k for a car for it to be sold for 5 bucks later the normal reaction for most would be get upset. For some that amount of money would take 10 years to earn. I get what you are trying to do with the hypothetical, and even in your example I never admitted that I would personal my value of the car would be lessened if more people hand it. I did say you properly would though, and I understand why you would, just as I understand why you would feel slighted if pvp rewards changes.

I am only talking about materialistic value. What you feel about it doesn't matter. Value was lost. There is no difference in that regard between the wool sweater in game to the cars irl. The example was referring to monetary value. You made the claim that the mounts and glamour would not lose any hard value, and this proves you wrong.

[Awha]

Hundreds of thousands of dollars versus $5. Ya, apparently you didn't lose value there.

I am only talking about materialistic value. What you feel about it doesn't matter. Value was lost. There is no difference in that regard between the wool sweater in game to the cars irl. The example was referring to monetary value. You made the claim that the mounts and glamour would not lose any hard value, and this proves you wrong.

So you are going based off objective value? I do not recall mentioning I hold objective value for such rewards, maybe I did thinks are starting to bleed together. Yes in the car example I would lose monetary value, but this was never about monetary value which can quantified. Changing the name of a Lambo to a razor scooter does not changes at the core it still a lambo changing it's name does not change the fact it is lambo. Now with the top 100 rewards if SE removes the phrase top 100 all that remains is reward. The phrase is what made it unique not the item itself. Unlike with the lambo it is the sum of its parts. You cannot go around calling a honda civic a lambo and charge 500k and expect people to bite. Granted yes the pvp community has had these exclusive rewards since season three, does not change the fact that outside that top 100 marker your item is no different from another item. If SE changes the name you lose the objective marker that could tag it as a top 100 reward. Since value achievement, and effort are 100% subjective so they have no hard value.

In the end you are saying the reason it should remain a reward for top 100 is because it is called a top 100 reward. If we get rid of the name what hard value does your mount have?

[Aviars]

if someone spent over 500k for a car for it to be sold for 5 bucks l

You acknowledged yourself that it was about material value. In the previous post too. Wowie.

Because they are called "top 100" rewards? Okay fine SE can simply change the name. Problem solved.

Changing the name of a Lambo to a razor scooter does not changes at the core it still a lambo changing it's name does not change the fact it is lambo.

So in one part you are saying you change the name in order to lower the value..... Please champ. The core part of your argument was that you can just change the name to make it worthless so everyone can have it. If the lambo stays a lambo how can a top 100 reward not be a top 100 reward and demand the same effort/skill? You literally make opposing arguments to yourself.

You cannot go around calling a honda civic a lambo and charge 500k and expect people to bite.

Anddddddd I never said that. You were making the claim that you can change the name to make it more accessible to others. Aka changing the name from a lambo to a civic and selling it for cheaper than what it was actually worth.

Since value achievement, and effort are 100% subjective so they have no hard value.

We were talking about the actual items value not your feelings. Stop bringing your feelings into this. I am trying to explain to you 500,000>>>>>>>>> 5

In the end you are saying the reason it should remain a reward for top 100 is because it is called a top 100 reward. If we get rid of the name what hard value does your mount have?

And here we come back full circle. It's like me saying if we get rid of the lambo name and change it to a civic then the car won't have any hard value anymore. You would and SHOULD still have to pay for the lambo full price, just as you should put in the same effort and skill into getting top 100 rewards aka get top 100.

@Aviars, Since no one has asked you, why do you want the items to remain locked behind top 100?

I have already answered that many times. People should have to achieve top 100 for top 100 rewards. Plain and simple. Why should people who have not achieved top 100 get rewards that others had to get top 100 for? Should people get ultimate weapons from the gold saucer? If you say no then you already agree with me.

[Awha]

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I agree a car has an objective material value, that goes beyond the name. We both agree that if someone calls a lambo a civic they should still pay full price. Now you feel your top 100 mount has objective value outside fact it was given as a top 100 reward. All the parts make it a lambo not just the name. Your top 100 reward is simply a brand the item itself has nothing special about it that makes it top 100. We cannot even say intent makes it unique, for all we know SE can be sitting on these designs and they just pulled a few out their ass and said this will make a good pvp reward. Every part of a lambo is made to be a lambo. Can you say the same? You did not say you can call a honda civic a lambo and charge people 500k for it, but that is more or less what you doing since nothing outside of the fact they were rewarded as a top 100 reward nothing else makes that item objectively unique to PvP or a top 100 reward. Can we really say the same for the car? Even if lambo never existed and you were pay 500 simply because they say it is fancy top line of sports car but looks no different then any other car on the street? Properly not, so why should those that want the item care that it was a top 100 reward?

I mean the PvE rewards are based around the encounter at least they have that claim, the pvp stuff they could have easily just put them in the golden saucer and you would not be able to tell the difference if they were never part of pvp.

[Aviars]

Your top 100 reward is simply a brand the item itself has nothing special about it that makes it top 100.

Except the fact that it was made for only top 100 players and IS ONLY for top 100 players. Ya, apparently nothing else special about it. At least you admit hard value actually matters though.

We cannot even say intent makes it unique.

Except we have several blog posts stating otherwise that these items are exclusive to the top 100 and only available for the certain time period. We should just ignore it though I guess because you claim it just isn't true.

I mean the PvE rewards are based around the encounter at least they have that claim, the pvp stuff they could have easily just put them in the golden saucer and you would not be able to tell the difference if they were never part of pvp.

You would be wrong, are you going to argue the trophies were meant to be for different content? They were made specifically for PVP and as far as I can see they are the ONLY trophies in the entire game. You can also look at the season1 and 2 armor and see they were made specifically for The Feast. The theme for them is centered around the Wolve's den.

I could go deeper but there really is no need to when your main points are "we should ignore words SE says" and "It's my opinion that these have nothing to do with pvp

I will leave it at that for now, it's very late

[Awha]

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I do not know would a player that just started playing be able to tell that the hell hound mount if they saw it on the golden saucer was once a PvP reward? I do not think so. In the end it just boils down to the fact that SE promised pvpers something, and they will hold on to that promise no matter how dead content gets. From the items I can currently see, I did not play in the early seasons all of them do not seem like anything screams this must be for PvP outside of where I got to buy them. Point remains SE has changed their mind in the past, and if they were to change their mind on this matter you sort of lose all objective value those items hold. That is what I am trying to say. Right now we should value SE words, I bet if they changed their mind and released a statement you would not be okay with that even though SE released a statement.