Trying to understand the complaints about DRK

[Lyth]

If TBN was actually dps neutral, then you could certainly throw it out on random autos. It's not.

The dps value of TBN is variable. In some cases the blood gain is greater than the MP cost, as tends to be the case during raid burst windows. On average, though, it works out to be a minor dps loss.

This shouldn't discourage you from using it when you need to mitigate a cleave or tankbuster. But it's a bit of a waste to use it frivolously. If you're unsure of this, look up DRKs who are trying to optimise for speedruns. You'll find a much lower rate of TBN usage in general (on the order of 1-2 times per fight). I'm not saying that you should necessarily emulate this, but it's worth noting.

I think that TBN's design tries to be clever with its resource juggling, but falls a little short because the rest of DRK's kit doesn't really take full advantage of blood - MP conversions. If it's supposed to be a focal mechanic, they should've gone the route of turning DRK into a full Zarya tank. Throw out shields, hit harder, throw out more shields.

From the way people talk about IB, you'd think that nobody ever uses it. If so, they should consider just replacing IB with FC in Defiance during the next job action crunch.

[Rubytoe]

If TBN was actually dps neutral, then you could certainly throw it out on random autos. It's not.

The dps value of TBN is variable. In some cases the blood gain is greater than the MP cost, as tends to be the case during raid burst windows. On average, though, it works out to be a minor dps loss.

This shouldn't discourage you from using it when you need to mitigate a cleave or tankbuster. But it's a bit of a waste to use it frivolously. If you're unsure of this, look up DRKs who are trying to optimise for speedruns. You'll find a much lower rate of TBN usage in general (on the order of 1-2 times per fight). I'm not saying that you should necessarily emulate this, but it's worth noting.

Square should just make bloodspillers from TBN popping a obvious dps gain. From 400 to 500 potency would be nice.

[Megguido]

Square should just make bloodspillers from TBN popping a obvious dps gain. From 400 to 500 potency would be nice.

The problem is, if TBN use is a flat DPS gain, then TBN becomes a DPS ability and you stop using it when it matters, but as much as possible.

[Rubytoe]

The problem is, if TBN use is a flat DPS gain, then TBN becomes a DPS ability and you stop using it when it matters, but as much as possible.

but that'd be up to the player's choice. Just like how black mage has to decide to move out an aoe and loose dps, or eat it "possibly die" and keep casting.

[Kabooa]

but that'd be up to the player's choice. Just like how black mage has to decide to move out an aoe and loose dps, or eat it "possibly die" and keep casting.

You don't eat anything without the expressed permission and frustration of the healer.

[Chrono_Rising]

The problem is, if TBN use is a flat DPS gain, then TBN becomes a DPS ability and you stop using it when it matters, but as much as possible.

I disagree, even with a change to 500 potency TBN returns would still be lower than sheltron returns on procing shield swipe at a 100 potency increase. People weren't standing in avoidable aoes for 150 potency, they aren't standing in avoidable damage for 100 potency, I doubt they would stand in avoidable damage for even less reward.

More parallels to sheltron, as long as you have enough guage to hit Sheltron when you need it you’ll be fine. If we switch one Dark Arts cast to one TBN it will hardly effect much except making us slightly more tanky.

[Terkhev]

If TBN was actually dps neutral, then you could certainly throw it out on random autos. It's not.

The dps value of TBN is variable. In some cases the blood gain is greater than the MP cost, as tends to be the case during raid burst windows. On average, though, it works out to be a minor dps loss.

This shouldn't discourage you from using it when you need to mitigate a cleave or tankbuster. But it's a bit of a waste to use it frivolously. If you're unsure of this, look up DRKs who are trying to optimise for speedruns. You'll find a much lower rate of TBN usage in general (on the order of 1-2 times per fight). I'm not saying that you should necessarily emulate this, but it's worth noting.

I think that TBN's design tries to be clever with its resource juggling, but falls a little short because the rest of DRK's kit doesn't really take full advantage of blood - MP conversions. If it's supposed to be a focal mechanic, they should've gone the route of turning DRK into a full Zarya tank. Throw out shields, hit harder, throw out more shields.

It's not that bad. Looking at top 5 DRKs on godka, 3 of those used TBN ~1 time per minute, one didn't use it at all (?) and one used it nearly 2 times per minute. We are talking about the very top here. You probably could use it on cooldown (when it breaks ofc) and still get into 95+

Personally I don't like blood mechanic at all. I'd prefer them to just build on mana bar instead of adding totally separate resource. Feels clunky and forced.

[Rubytoe]

If TBN was actually dps neutral, then you could certainly throw it out on random autos. It's not.

The dps value of TBN is variable. In some cases the blood gain is greater than the MP cost, as tends to be the case during raid burst windows. On average, though, it works out to be a dps lose.

Also you have to think about all the healing your saving for your healers when your TBNing the autos as MT. 1 tbn is like saving a Cure II, and replacing it with a Stone IV. So in some cases i think it's a dps increase to your healer, along with the blood spiller it brings.

[Terkhev]

Also you have to think about all the healing your saving for your healers when your TBNing the autos as MT. 1 tbn is like saving a Cure II, and replacing it with a Stone IV. So in some cases i think it's a dps increase to your healer, along with the blood spiller it brings.

Not really. I stopped healing after Deltascape, so it might be different now (doubt it), but as SCH I barely ever had to use GCD heals for tank and my WHM buddy only used regen afaik. Regen, Eos, AoE heals and tanks self heal from Path (WAR) was enough most of the time. Occasional Excog/Lustrate and Tetra were enough when he got lower.
Sure, it will help healers in the long run, but it's far from being a whole GCD per TBN.