selling wins

[Penthea]

The point of the comparison was how attitudes of a playerbase can change from "it's against TOS" to "we're ok with it." It's not trying to compare the two in harm; the way player attitudes change about something is that it starts top down. There's a certain saturation point when it becomes unable to be contained, and that varies based on a lot of things. But the point is that it's never really a only 1% issue; the 1% filters down.

The comparison still doesn't work.

The only prerequisite to get a parser is to have a pc. It costs nothing but hard drive space. It costs zero gil or real cash. You don't even need to raid or play with anyone else to use it. There is no skill threshold for using a parser. You can be the worst player in the world and still use one. You can use a parser as much as you like and if you tell no one you have it, no one will know that you do. This is also applicable to mods that edit how the game is displayed to only the player, such as reshader mods.

If you want to sell boss kills you first need to be a very skilled player who is part of a very skilled raid team who can reliably kill high end bosses with little trouble. An immense amount of time goes into becoming that sort of raid team. Most players don't have the time, the skill and the team to do that. So many things must align for killing high end bosses with relative ease to be a possibility. Even if everyone in the game wanted to sell high end boss kills, most of them will never have any to sell.

On top of that the entire team must agree to engage in RMT. If one doesn't, that's it the plan is on hold. And on top of that they need to find willing customers, and most players either prefer to earn something themselves or don't have several hundred dollars lying around doing nothing. Furthermore this cannot be kept secret because if you have something to sell then you need to advertise.

While both are against the terms of use, they're both radically different problems. One is just free software displaying information the game already has. You can't actually say it's illegal, it's merely against SE's terms of use. The other is basically selling content that belongs to SE for real cash when you are not SE. Selling boss kills is pretty much having your own Mog Station but with different products. It is against SE's terms of use and also most likely very illegal.

I understand your slippery slope argument but it's simply not applicable to selling boss kills. I strongly disagree with it, but I also understand that only a tiny percentage of players can even hope to be able to do it. A slippery slope can only happen if the majority of players can participate. This is not the case for selling or buying boss kills.

Again I emphasise that I agree that SE should take action against selling boss kills. I just disagree that the issue is comparable to parsing.

[Mikhaill]

They actually log into your account in the most HC content and play your character for you so they have 8 people.

Wait, is that how they sell wins?
They literally get onto your account?
Who in their right mind...

I always thought they just carry you in their with them.

[Sebazy]

Wait, is that how they sell wins?
They literally get onto your account?
Who in their right mind...

I always thought they just carry you in their with them.

It depends on the content and capabilities of the team. Ultimate would absolutely require them to use your character whereas primals and the majority of Savage is dooable with 7 and the buyer sitting there dead.

[Rogatum]

Hey, leave my nudemods alone #erpforever

[KageTokage]

Welp, people are still attempting to sell clears in the PF, so they obviously aren't fazed by this whole debacle.

Telling players to report them via the "Report Cheating" function is probably going to be about as effective as using it for bots has been.

The sad thing is that the GMs could just punch in the Discord number they're mentioning to reveal that they're trying to make real money off of this, but the "No outside evidence" policy is presumably going to give them immunity even if said evidence is being provided by the suspects themselves...

[Gizensha]

In this light it really seems that the new top content is "too rough". People are actually paying a lot of money not to play it. How many of the clears are actually bought runs i wonder.

Square's problem here is that they have a TOS they can't enforce. Only thing they could do was to cut the demand by either making the content easier or selling it themselves through mogstation it seems.

[KageTokage]

I seriously doubt many people are actually desperate enough to pay over a thousand dollars for a UwU clear.

The vast majority of people (Myself included) will be content to ignore it if they don't feel like they can ever clear it or simply lack the patience.

[Teraluna]

In this light it really seems that the new top content is "too rough". People are actually paying a lot of money not to play it. How many of the clears are actually bought runs i wonder.

Square's problem here is that they have a TOS they can't enforce. Only thing they could do was to cut the demand by either making the content easier or selling it themselves through mogstation it seems.

Maybe the solution is to have more mid-high level content that keeps people engaged.
I can't do some of the ultimate hard core stuff, work/family are first. So it's a case of a step below content that will keep me interested.

[Gizensha]

Sure. There apparently aren't many clears anyway. Just curious really as it wouldn't need to be many to skew such a relatively low number though.

[Gizensha]

Maybe the solution is to have more mid-high level content that keeps people engaged.
I can't do some of the ultimate hard core stuff, work/family are first. So it's a case of a step below content that will keep me interested.

More content would be nice of course but no studio can make it faster than people consume it and we would end up back in the same situation.

I want to make it clear by the way that i'm not against high level difficult content and occasionally enjoy the streams for example. Square are in a really difficult position with this...