selling wins

[RiyahArp]

Most people that complain about it are scorned they aren't able to participate in it themselves.

The whole point of ultimate was to be a special fight that only the highest of skilled players in this game would beat. The clear and the weapons were rewards and status symbols of that. They aren't worthwhile in themselves, since you beat the content with much less. If you start selling runs, you wear away at the point of the fight. I mean, the idea of a game in general is you rise as far as your skills allow and whether you are casual or hardcore, you take pride in that. Selling content sort of destroys this motivation some by introducing the same inequalities in the real world into the game. You can't honestly cheer an ultimate weapon on when you wonder whether or not the person bought it, or the person chose to sell access to it.

It's not a matter of jealousy; even if i could i wouldn't do it. I don't think games work that way or should work that way.

if you scratch a cynic, you get a frustrated idealist.

[Sebazy]

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I will add, whilst yes, it's fair to say that a tiny minority of players will ever clear these ultimate fights, it's worth remembering that a very significant number of groups (and even PFs) will work at it regardless of if they are likely to actually clear it or not. Why? In my case at least, it's because it's fun content and I enjoy playing it with my friends <3

[Penthea]

Most people that complain about it are scorned they aren't able to participate in it themselves.

No I think most are against it because SE's official stance is that it's a bannable offence but the impression is they're doing nothing about it.

[CreinCrein]

The point of the fight was to provide a challenge for raiders craving for intensely difficult content; the weapons and title are secondary to the experience. They're cool trophies yes, but you're underestimating how easy it is to determine if someone bought a clear or not through FFLogs and other sources. If you're booked as a buyer that trophy quickly becomes a mark of shame to a lot of people. Also, the amount of people playing this game with the disposable income necessary to purchase these runs is a subset of a subset of a subset; not one large enough to completely devalue the worth of the rewards.

"No I think most are against it because SE's official stance is that it's a bannable offence but the impression is they're doing nothing about it." - We should start cracking down on ACT too, nothing's being done about it either. :smirk:

[Rogatum]

Hey, leave my nudemods alone #erpforever

[KageTokage]

Welp, people are still attempting to sell clears in the PF, so they obviously aren't fazed by this whole debacle.

Telling players to report them via the "Report Cheating" function is probably going to be about as effective as using it for bots has been.

The sad thing is that the GMs could just punch in the Discord number they're mentioning to reveal that they're trying to make real money off of this, but the "No outside evidence" policy is presumably going to give them immunity even if said evidence is being provided by the suspects themselves...

[Gizensha]

In this light it really seems that the new top content is "too rough". People are actually paying a lot of money not to play it. How many of the clears are actually bought runs i wonder.

Square's problem here is that they have a TOS they can't enforce. Only thing they could do was to cut the demand by either making the content easier or selling it themselves through mogstation it seems.

[Teraluna]

In this light it really seems that the new top content is "too rough". People are actually paying a lot of money not to play it. How many of the clears are actually bought runs i wonder.

Square's problem here is that they have a TOS they can't enforce. Only thing they could do was to cut the demand by either making the content easier or selling it themselves through mogstation it seems.

Maybe the solution is to have more mid-high level content that keeps people engaged.
I can't do some of the ultimate hard core stuff, work/family are first. So it's a case of a step below content that will keep me interested.

[Gizensha]

Maybe the solution is to have more mid-high level content that keeps people engaged.
I can't do some of the ultimate hard core stuff, work/family are first. So it's a case of a step below content that will keep me interested.

More content would be nice of course but no studio can make it faster than people consume it and we would end up back in the same situation.

I want to make it clear by the way that i'm not against high level difficult content and occasionally enjoy the streams for example. Square are in a really difficult position with this...

[HyoMinPark]

In this light it really seems that the new top content is "too rough". People are actually paying a lot of money not to play it. How many of the clears are actually bought runs i wonder.

The only reason people buy clears tends to be because they aren’t skilled enough to participate in the content and they want the shinies from it. The people who foolishly spent 1,200 USD on an UCoB clear? Wanted the weapon and the title, and weren’t at the skill level to earn it properly. Very rarely do you get actual, skilled players buying clears for Savage or Ultimate; they’re skilled and they know it, and they can go clear it themselves without paying money out of pocket for it. So why buy?

That being said, the amount of clears that are bought are still low—not nearly as substantial as some in this thread are trying to make it out to be.

Maybe the solution is to have more mid-high level content that keeps people engaged.
I can't do some of the ultimate hard core stuff, work/family are first. So it's a case of a step below content that will keep me interested.

There’s already this type of content in the game: Extreme primals and Savage.