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[HyoMinPark]

Question for the top raiders that happens to come here :
Since the dev apparently doesn't have enough ressource to maintain all their content, would you rather keep savage and lose Ultimate or they remove Savage and put a bit more ressources in Ultimate fights ?

Not a top raider by any stretch, but here’s my two gil:

Ultimate fights are mostly just reused assets that have their damage scripts modified/intensified. At most, the only “new” assets that go into them are things like Golden Bahamut or last phase Ultima, but a lot of it is reused with things that already exist in the game. If the developers want to do away with Ultimate, then I would request Savage itself return to the levels of Midas instead of staying at the levels of Delta/Sigmascape. I want something challenging.

Not sure if its a matter of saying. It looked like even on the NA side interest was less, and I noticed raiders breaking their taboo of waiting till 4 groups cleared for clear videos, they seemed to come out the next day after world first. My guess is that they saw participation was fewer and asked the JP to be sure.

I wouldn’t say that’s true. The raid recruiter discords (at least the NA ones) have been active for a long time regarding UCoB and UwU groups, and not every group waited until the world first clear happened to venture in. If the developers are meaning it’s rough on the dev team to get them out every odd patch, then fair enough. I don’t necessarily like it, but fair enough. There is quite a bit of work to do on 5.0 (even though the teams that do Ultimate is a separate team) and they could use all hands on deck for it since it’s pretty well-known by this point that they’re severely understaffed. However, the phrases specifically pointed towards it being the community that said it was rough, and I would like confirmation of where this was said.

[Remedi]

I’m curious to know if this was said on the JP forums, or where it was even said. Because I haven’t seen this reasoning on the NA forums.

Well our forum had in the past some arguments about ultimate beign kinda a waste which I disagreed upon, anyway in the thread has a part where some JP comments were taken from a JP live blog, to my eyes the ones professing beign ok with this have usually more dislikes than likes, which might mean that the sentiment is not shared with the community
However the comment citing that it would be better having an ultimate only for x.1 and x.5 patches has got some likes, as the comment saying that it makes no sense to not release an ultimate in the lowest part of activity of an expansion (patch x.5) which is interesting as a position imho

[Vaer]

The problem I see with the x.5 ultimate is that by then I would assume most of the team would be working on the expansion. I mean they could make it earlier, then just not release it until way later I guess but that might affect the content of the middle patches and tuning it earlier might just be weird if they make job balance changes later.

By the time x.5 releases there would only be a couple months left to finish and ship an expansion. So far they have been churning out an expansion in 5 months after the last major patch which is a feat in itself. Following that timeline they must be sending the next patch to QA in a couple weeks and ramping up expansion development. Fanfest is not too far away now.

TBH I think they cut it so they could work on the MHW collab since they seem to be hyping it up and the rest of it went to ramping up the expansion dev. If the collab ends up an 8 man trial I'm going to assume the resources went into that instead.

[Azper]

I would disagree. The people that want a challenge should at least get one in a game that caters massively to softcore players, and I wouldn’t say that the people that have cleared an Ultimate and/or are progging it are happy to see it go on hiatus. Since Savage is going to stay at the Delta/Sigmascape level and effectively become midcore, I’d like a hardcore option for content.

That's fine. SE appears to have already made up their mind, though. They feel 2 Ultimate battles per expansion is enough and I agree with them.

[HyoMinPark]

That's fine. SE appears to have already made up their mind, though. They feel 2 Ultimate battles per expansion is enough and I agree with them.

Maybe I misunderstood you, but when you said “their time is better spent elsewhere”, I interpreted you as meaning the raiders’ time not the developers. It’s fine if you agree with only two Ultimates; I was just disagreeing with the above statement in the way I interpreted it.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Expect more cactbot-like tools to keep popping up until SE finally starts banning people who use them. If that kills the raider scene, then maybe a raider scene that relies entirely on cheat tools shouldn't exist.

Perhaps, I am. Admittedly, I do not know the inner details. Regardless, SE has not banned people for almost four years and proudly endorsed World First teams who have ACT visible on their screens. They aren't going to suddenly do a 180 because of Cactbot.

[Luin]

Heh, you focus on that, but you missed this?



You should be worried they are going to break all the third party stuff due to ultimate raiders. Hopefully it wont be all content.

Not going to happen, nobody has ever stopped 3rd party like that. Independents work faster and constantly, it'd be a waste of resources to try. The interviews said in the future they'd change how certain information is received by the client (talking about the gaols in this case)

[lulunami]

I rather they make more intermediate-hard difficulty fights that the majority of the player-base can enjoy instead of Ultimate. Instead of targeting the minority few that can play 20 hours a day, they should target people with normal playing hours. Nobody is going to care about Ultimate titles or Ultimate weapons after a week.

[RiyahArp]

Not going to happen, nobody has ever stopped 3rd party like that. Independents work faster and constantly, it'd be a waste of resources to try. The interviews said in the future they'd change how certain information is received by the client (talking about the gaols in this case)

yeah but if they can do that, it depends on if it breaks everything else. If they say "oh, we will just encrypt certain data" the side effect might be to break a lot of other systems down.

Though given that certain reddit thread about elysium, my care about ultimate has dropped 900% tbh.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

I rather they make more intermediate-hard difficulty fights that the majority of the player-base can enjoy instead of Ultimate. Instead of targeting the minority few that can play 20 hours a day, they should target people with normal playing hours. Nobody is going to care about Ultimate titles or Ultimate weapons after a week.

And yet Bahamut remained both actively talked about and pursued right up until Ultima released. Even some of the more well known players like Mizzteq were progging UCoB several months later. In raid circles, everyone cares about Ultimate if they have any desire to pursue it. Ultimate is the benchmark for hardcore progression now. It matters far more than Savage.

As for intermediate fights. With the Ultimate series on hiatus now, I bloody well hope they finally add a fifth or six fight somewhere before the next expansion. Otherwise, we'll have another nine months of a Creator equivalent. Regardless, if they made normal mode raids something of a challenge, you'd have more options. Instead, they're laughably simple.