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    Quote Originally Posted by Alleo View Post
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    ... And you just literally ignored 90% of what I said. Fine, I'm not gonna argue in circles.
    I will leave this though: They will not do any big retcons of lore to fit any race into the game. Should they ever add another race, they will add one thats appealing to a wide audience while taking the least amount of work possible. I still don't see Lupin fitting that.
    You also seem to confuse lore (overall history/background of the world) with the Player characters personal story within said world. Both of these affect each other, as they should; but they don't technically break each other.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rysir View Post
    The end all be all is that race never was and never will be taken into account for story and the most we get is little comments such as the ones from the Kojin quest. Its excessive to get in a huff over this especially with lore reasons when the people who have the ability to add them can do whatever they wish to fit them in.

    We are playing a game that ignores player race harder than skyrim which is a real feat. For any race being added if it happens then it happens, if it does not then it does not and it will as always ignore lore no matter what it ends up being. Its better to leave the lore talk to the lore section since when it comes to player race lore is painfully irrelevant.
    Yeah, you're taking Lore much to lightly here. It is true that the game doesnt make much of a distiction between spoken races(i.e. playable races); it does however make a distinction between human and beastraces, which is my problem here. It is hardly as 'painfully irrelevant' as you try to suggest.
    But hey, if you're fine with a game that doesn't give a crap about its own story, be my guest; if this game ever gets to that point however, I'm likely one of the first out of the door.
    So I'd like to avoid that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nestama View Post
    Exactly. Hell, not even Yugiri throughout the 2.2-2.5 quests takes note of you being an Au Ra, which she is trying to hide (aside from her tail). If SE really wanted to, they could have made some Au Ra exclusive cutscenes where Yugiri reveals herself sooner. They've done this before, but so far only Jobs and Alisae (there's apparently three kinds of cutscenes with her depending on your Coil progress) where cutscenes have different dialogue depending on what Job you are, or what progress you've made.
    As for Yugiri; I actually am inclined to agree. They handled that kinda crappy, but I'd hope they know that themselves and do it better for whatever next race they may or may not decide to release.
    Alisaie/Jobstory: None of these affect the overall world lore though, only the WoLs personal story. Which is a stark difference from having to blatantly ignore/change established lore as they'd have to in order to include Lupin amogst the other playable races.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nestama View Post
    "But the lore" honestly stopped being a thing to me the second they let certain mounts fly. They try to make sense of it (Ananta sewing enchanted carpets onto elephants back, T-rex being over exposed to aether, etc), but it's really just an excuse.
    Well, to me, a Lore argument is much more valid than trying to excuse things that'd make no sense by stating that other items of questionable canoninity are stupid.
    Just because some things are dumb doesn't mean everything has to be.
    But to each their own.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sigma-Astra View Post
    I would honestly rather that they, oh I don't know.....add more depth towards their existing races than just blatantly shoehorn in another new race which will become just as lacking in lore and customization options as the rest of the races are already. They shoe-horned Au Ra into HW and we really didn't get anything else regarding their culture until SB. That's a bigger problem.

    Meanwhile, the rest of other races from ARR are left to rot on the side. There's so much more that could be added to them rather than a new race completely.
    I can overall agree with this. I would however have to ask: Why not both?
    Its not that they'd haveto come up with completely new stuff for already existing races; they already have plenty of lore on them. They just have to make use of it more ingame rather then hiding it away in lorebooks at best and somewhere in their documents folder at worst.

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    Final thoughts, because I neither have the time nor enough of a horse in this race to care all that much:
    If SE ever decides to throw the Lupin - or any beastrace for that matter - in as a playable race, I'd like for them to at least make proper sense of it in the lore. Preferably without breaking it.
    Because I like the lore. I care about it. Its one of the reasons why I play this game over other MMOs. And I'd like for the (fictional) world I spend my time in to keep making sense.
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    Last edited by ArcaneCarbuncle; 06-07-2018 at 07:41 PM.