Been running Ridorana Lighthouse the whole week and...

[Nihility]

the most interesting thing i noticed about the new system is 100% of the drops are being taken by someone in every run I've been in so far
While the old system half or more of the drops were hitting the ground even on the "2AM patch day first run ever!" run

what a difference a change to perception makes...

Still don't understand this whole concept of it being unfair. It's not like the one drop a week doesn't count if it's not for your main class and they can keep taking 'your' stuff
and really doubt people are taking it just to be spiteful, what would be the point of taking your one piece a week if you can't use it or sell it or do anything at all with it?

[Fawkes]

what would be the point of taking your one piece a week if you can't use it or sell it or do anything at all with it?

One of the sets is Vaan's from Tactics A2, and the rest are based on other tactics classes, so you'd take it if you want to collect it for glamour even if you can't equip it yet. It's not like leveling the job first will help you get it now anyway, so if you think you might want it someday might as well lot now before the lockout is gone and it's a total free for all.

[Enla]

Still don't understand this whole concept of it being unfair. It's not like the one drop a week doesn't count if it's not for your main class and they can keep taking 'your' stuff
and really doubt people are taking it just to be spiteful, what would be the point of taking your one piece a week if you can't use it or sell it or do anything at all with it?

We had at least one person already defending their preference for Greed only /because/ they don't feel certain people should have drops because they 'don't deserve them' for whatever reason. That's pretty much the textbook definition of spite.

[BillyKaplan]

the most interesting thing i noticed about the new system is 100% of the drops are being taken by someone in every run I've been in so far

Nah, lots of them hit the floor still. And if they don't it's because people are so disheartened about getting something they want, they roll on whatever, which is not how this should work at all.

Still don't understand this whole concept of it being unfair.

It's a dead horse beaten by now. You can say you disagree but if you say you don't understand then you haven't read the thread.

and really doubt people are taking it just to be spiteful, what would be the point of taking your one piece a week if you can't use it or sell it or do anything at all with it?

Lots of people don't actually need the gear from there because tomestones gear or savage. In that case, if someone pissed them off, they have a roll ready to go that they don't really need. And some people might just roll even if they do need a certain piece, but are just that upset. Don't underestimate spite.

[TaleraRistain]

I really think the whole argument of being "forced" to play a certain class under the old system is just silly. It's not like the Greed option went away if you came on your main under the old system. I was able to gear my bard side up just fine while running the 24 mans as my white mage. Did I sometimes lose out on ranged gear to the actual ranged in the party? Of course, as it should be. I didn't come on that class. They had the opportunity to Need and took it. It may not have been a perfect system, but it was a lot better than this Greed free for all.

[Vhailor]

I really think the whole argument of being "forced" to play a certain class under the old system is just silly. It's not like the Greed option went away if you came on your main under the old system. I was able to gear my bard side up just fine while running the 24 mans as my white mage. Did I sometimes lose out on ranged gear to the actual ranged in the party? Of course, as it should be. I didn't come on that class. They had the opportunity to Need and took it. It may not have been a perfect system, but it was a lot better than this Greed free for all.

I also liked the flexibility this afforded me when lotting on gear that dropped. Before, I could Need on the very few items I wanted, could generally Greed on everything else (knowing that I wasn't taking an item from someone who could Need on it), and could Pass in the rare event someone specifically requested an item they couldn't Need on.

Now, I feel obligated to Pass everything that I don't actively want, because I don't want to be that asshole who snags an item someone else could really use. It's costing me GC seals, and it's taking away one of those 'side rewards' that 24-person Raids used to give.

Still don't understand this whole concept of it being unfair. It's not like the one drop a week doesn't count if it's not for your main class and they can keep taking 'your' stuff
and really doubt people are taking it just to be spiteful, what would be the point of taking your one piece a week if you can't use it or sell it or do anything at all with it?

In addition to what other people have pointed out, keep in mind that the weekly limit only applies to Ridorana. For every other dungeon, people can Greed at will on anything that drops - and they often do. So if you're hunting a Glamour piece or working on gearing up a job at a lower iLevel, you get absolutely hosed by this change.

I actually think I could probably have lived with the change if it only applied to the most recent 24-man Raid. I wouldn't have loved it, but it would have had a relatively minor impact on me. Applying it to dungeons without lockouts, however, is unequivocally awful.

[SeriousxSarcasm]

Ok, one of the worst things I saw happen. It was business as usual, we beat first boss and a NIN item and healer hat drops. I side eyed the healer hat, and ask if healers mind if I roll for it, because it's the worst damn thing in the world when someone in a different role snatches something you want (the amount of times I lose caster gear to healers...... *shakes fist*). First healer says she don't care, she's going for the chest piece, this is like her 5th run today. Other healer doesn't mind either since it's not a huge upgrade, but she still rolls (I won it, made me glad I asked). Run was pretty chill after that, a few people piped up about what they were running for, so we were feeling pretty good there wasnt a big conflict for gear.

The healer chest piece drops later, healers are both super happy about it, they've both been really awesome about keeping our party up while the rest of the raid is falling apart around us, rest of the party is cheering them on. and Boom, Red Mage gets it just as we're running up to the last boss. Like really? You could feel all those good vibes we built up during the run hit rock bottom. I was so upset on their behalf.

[Rockette]

Here is a thread with people who collect sets on Reddit. There's a few comments in there from collectors who are super upset at the Greed changes since now its really not worth even trying to get the 24man pieces.

I sincerely hope SE does something to fix this.

[Awha]

We had at least one person already defending their preference for Greed only /because/ they don't feel certain people should have drops because they 'don't deserve them' for whatever reason. That's pretty much the textbook definition of spite.

To be fair I have yet to see many defend greed all in the sense that they would like to stay, or that they agree with the system, sure some have voiced their personal preference, even then most have admired that the system is still flawed. People have defended it in the sense that greed all and need/greed/pass systems both favor certain individuals. If they never made the change more like the conversation never would have been brought it since it was one of those status quo elements to game that most just went along with, but being as the change went through a revert to the old system instead of a rework seems like they would be taking a step backwards, when they have chance to move forward because inherently both systems are not fair and impartial. Is it possible to come up with a system that is fair and impartial I do not know, but would still be an interesting conversation to see if the community can help SE come up with a solution that is better then greed all or need/greed/pass.

Have you considered there might be a reason why it's the status quo more or less since MMOs' inception?

Overall you are right I have had no problem with the status quo, but being as SE made the change simply going back instead of possibly looking into ways to improve the system and find a solution that happens to please both side that have their preference does not seem like a bad thing to me. I mean don't you think it is little odd to dislike one system because it favors certain players, but blindly go back to the previous one that still favored certain players? I mean if it trues out a rework is not possible or simply would take up too much time I have said then go back to the old system since between the two Need/greed/pass fits the status quo. I mean yes it is the way things have been, but SE clearly is open to change so maybe it is time we see if a rework is possible. Even when they mentioned change I did say outside of my personal preference greed all is still a terrible solution when it comes to methods of loot distribution.

[BillyKaplan]

status quo

Have you considered there might be a reason why it's the status quo more or less since MMOs' inception?