Been running Ridorana Lighthouse the whole week and...

[Seniade]

Was it, though? Really? Healers in particular have it rough on the first weeks of 24-player raids. And you're saying that the self-same dps who spent most of the time dead has as much right to roll on the healer gear that dropped, despite it being immediate upgrade for the people who kept the party alive? Fair numbers wise. Otherwise, no, it's really not fair.

This was worse with the old system: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...90#post4019190
I quite frequently saw players horribly under-geared using accessories to bypass the min item level, that didn't know how to play their alt class, just to skew the gear rolls in their favor.

[BillyKaplan]

Gotta love the "it doesn't affect me so there isn't a problem" crowd.

I do not understand how others think the greed only system is unfair it allows everyone in the party equal chance at getting the drop at the end.

Including individuals who can't even use the job, don't use the job, spent the majority of the run dead on the floor or afking by constantly initiating battles and initiating loot roles so they can't be kicked, people who refuse to perform the higher risk/difficulty roles like healers and tanks but still take immediate upgrades from the people playing those roles within that instance...
It's true you could've suffered from some of those situations before, but the odds of that happening were much smaller. Right now, about the only way in which is is fair is how many people you run the risk of rolling against. That is to say - everyone's equally screwed. It is fair in the sense the probabilities are now equal for everyone, but it fails every other definition of the word.

[Jeykama]

Don't really see how all-greed is any more or less fair than fighting 7 other people for a shaft in Sigma for four weeks - only that Ridorana takes awhile and you can't focus a certain boss.
Maybe every non-savage/ult raid should do the bolt/lens/spring/pedal/shaft thing then.

[Tsumdere]

Whomp whomp.

Saw a post on Reddit I thought it would be useful here as well. Coverage of yesterday's Primal stream mentions that Yoshi-P said they are monitoring reactions to Greed Only for another week before making a decision.


http://nekokuma.com/post-85095/

Comments include :

名無しのスノーマン 2018/06/01(金) 21:25:06 ID：b5dd39228
なんで待つ必要があるんですかねぇ？

フォーラム見てもほぼ反対しかされてないだろ！

Nameless snowman 2018/06/01 (Fri) 21: 25: 06 ID: b5dd39228
Why do I have to wait?

Even if you look at the forum it is almost nothing but opposition!

名無しのスノーマン 2018/06/02(土) 11:15:40 ID：cb31ff484
1週間経てば意見が変わると思ってんのか？
諦めてロット率上がるの待ってるんだじぇねーよ卑怯者が

Nameless snowman 2018/06/02 (Sat) 11: 15: 40 ID: cb31ff484
Do you think that opinion will change over a week?
I give up and wait for the lot rate to rise. Janey, a coward

And a bunch of other people talking about how "the voice of the forum is the voice of the minority" despite seeing many, MANY instances in game where people were complaining.

[VirusChris]

Google Translation is not perfect, but dang... they don't seem happy with the Greed Only raids. If I'm interpreting it right.

[Penthea]

In my eyes everyone in group should have equal priority since it is the effort of the group that allows for the gear to be obtained.

It seems that to you the act of simply turning up makes a player who may not have a tank unlocked be just as deserving for tank gear as an actual tank.

That you find this to be logical, acceptable or fair is impressively baffling.

By the way we already get participation loot, and they're called tomestones. It's not like everyone always walked away empty-handed before need rolls were removed.

[Awha]

It seems that to you the act of simply turning up makes a player who may not have a tank unlocked be just as deserving for tank gear as an actual tank.

That you find this to be logical, acceptable or fair is impressively baffling.

By the way we already get participation loot, and they're called tomestones. It's not like everyone always walked away empty-handed before need rolls were removed.

Might be baffling, but I am also baffled by how some feel simply because a drop matches with ones role they should be granted priority over the group. Granted I am an odd one that for the most part if my co tank was okay with it I would simply mention everyone should roll greed. I mean if my co tank was not okay not going to fight them over it if they roll need awesome. Just does not sit right with me that despite the labor of the group certain people get a priority due to roles matching up. Please do not get me wrong when I lost a piece of gear to a player that was dead most the time I did get tilted, but overall I like the change. Another issues I do not run 24's that often so that might also paint my bias. Overall yeah I tend to be the type of person that values equability over everything else when it is possible.

[BillyKaplan]

but I am also baffled by how some feel simply because a drop matches with ones role they should be granted priority over the group.

You don't know why someone running WHM in those raids should have priority over someone who has no healers at all? Really?
You make it sound like the Need roll kept people from getting gear period, but they had their own Need roll, the Greed roll was there, and as mentioned before you got tomestones for your trouble so you got an upgrade at the end regardless.
You know what was a much worse offender when it came to keeping people from their loot? RNG. Two weeks of running Weeping City non-stop before I even saw the caster top drop. Le sigh.

Another issues I do not run 24's that often so that might also paint my bias.

If it doesn't affect you, please stop telling the people hurt by this change to accept it.

[Awha]

If it doesn't affect you, please stop telling the people hurt by this change to accept it.

I do not think I have ever mentioned that people should accept the change (if I did it you felt I have implied such I apologize) all I have been saying is that I do not understand why role / job should grant priority in the sense of being treated equally. I can see how it is unfair, but fairness is kind of weird since in my eyes the current system is more fair because it puts everyone on a equal playing field, and clearly many do not. Which is fine, but I do not think I have ever mentioned people should blindly accept what they do not approve of. I agree I dislike RNG with a passion, and wish it was not a factor but I do understand how that is a necessary evil when the game revolves around vertical progression.

You can't be serious.

It doesn't sit right with you if gear is more likely to go to a player who can get the best use of it?

It appears you like equality to the point of being impractical. Good god I hope for other players out there that you never lead a raid team. Players would be watching their BiS go to the wrong classes because of your blind equality.

Sorry I really do not see how a job / role inherently grants priority over another. I do understand where the other side is coming from though, I just do not agree with it. Granted my view point is based on the wishful thinking that SE will in the future add an npc that allows for gear-to-gear trade. That is wishful thinking.

[BillyKaplan]

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Equal =\= fair, as been explained to you before. And if you really don't see what's wrong with giving the same rolling rights to someone who mains a job, and someone who doesn't even have the job unlocked... well. Not much more to say, is there?