Telling a player they should quit? Is that ever justified?

[MoroMurasaki]

At face value - no, I don't think there is every much of a reason to tell another person to quit the game. Everyone has seen a "Raising <t> so they can uninstall!" macro but going much beyond that seems generally uncalled for.

My issue with this thread, as with many of your threads as of late, is that they are so devoid of context there is virtually no reason to post them. I don't intend for that to sound as harsh as it does but you know me and I'm not one to sugarcoat - better to be direct about it.

Honest, real advice from me right now - I think you need a long break. I think if that break results in you not returning to the game that's sad, no one enjoys losing a friend, but it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world especially if it resulted in an upswing in your overall confidence and peace of mind. I'll see you in FFXX or whatever the next MMO SE puts out is.

To all the trolls posting stupid comments here - please kindly find the door. I have installed a giant metal spike on the handle, don't let it hit you on your rude butts as you leave. Or do, maybe the internet would be a better place without you posting in it.

And to Kisai - maybe stretch before you reach that far, dude; you're going to pull a muscle. Not everything is about parsers, please don't reignite that here. No one wants to talk about it for the fiftieth time, if I wanted to bash my head against a wall for 3 weeks I could just do so irl.

[Aniise]

The answer to this question should be really obvious.
If it is said to harass and bully people then NO, it is not and will never be an okay thing to tell them to quit.

If it is said our of concern about someone having real life issues because of the game, then I think it is justified to consider to at least take a break for a short while.

Also, I wrote it in one of your former threads already and I will write it again this time; I think you need this said break. And I do not seem to be the only one with this opinion.

I'm not on your server and I don't know what's going on with you and if people are harassing you in game or something, but judging from all the threads you've made on the forum and what I've read from you, you seem to be constantly concerned about your performance in this game to a level where you can never be satisfied with yourself and always worry and have to get the acknowledgement of others in the forum when you are in doubt about yourself.

I don't think this is healthy behavior and people like Lucinda seem to be seriously worried. Maybe I'm taking it too far with my assumptions right now and if this is the case, I am sorry. I just wanted to tell you I'm worried too, even though we don't know each other.

[Tridus]

Yes, sometimes it is. If the game is bad for your health or relationships, or if there's addiction issues, then someone who cares about you is entirely justified in telling you to quit.

Like with these seemingly random threads you keep posting. It's clear that something else is going on, but you keep coming back here with these threads instead. I don't think that's particularly healthy either.

[Lunaxia]

Have you ever stopped and considered that you might be the antagonist? You've posted over a dozen threads with the same kind of antagonistic language, which all point to attention seeking (there is even a psychological name for this "Histrionic personality disorder") from the raiders.

Can you not armchair psychoanalyse and drag in real mental health problems as labels to slap on people for behaviour you don't agree with? It's meaningless at best and offensive at worst.

[KaivaC]

Ah…so many replies to me directly, but it was a general question. All my threads aren’t directly related to one thing or another. I left the questions pretty general and open-ended purposely just for conversation reasons. I thought it might’ve been a pretty interesting conversation to have too, something that does occur in the game, whether it’s because someone is concerned, they are trolling, they want to be a jerk, etc. Everybody has different experiences, so I put up the thread to have a chat about this subject. This thread in particular doesn’t have anything to do with my previous threads – at all. And while I understand some of y’all may have concerns, if somebody is harassing me through my old discord, I am unaware of it as I have deleted it, so …yeah, nothing to worry about on my end. Just wanting to have interesting conversations.

[Rhus]

You should make it more clear in your opening post then and post a personal example for reference. As Moro said they seem to be lacking in context. and are painting a very troubling picture which is causing many to voice out their concern for you. Many may not know you personally (like me) but we know you through our interactions in the forum the threads you've made and comments you've posted and we care for our own. It is good to know you are well but perhaps there is something to be taken from this regarding future posts. Keep at it I say, just give more to work with and less vague.

[Crystal_Raven]

Ah…so many replies to me directly, but it was a general question. All my threads aren’t directly related to one thing or another. I left the questions pretty general and open-ended purposely just for conversation reasons. I thought it might’ve been a pretty interesting conversation to have too, something that does occur in the game, whether it’s because someone is concerned, they are trolling, they want to be a jerk, etc. Everybody has different experiences, so I put up the thread to have a chat about this subject. This thread in particular doesn’t have anything to do with my previous threads – at all. And while I understand some of y’all may have concerns, if somebody is harassing me through my old discord, I am unaware of it as I have deleted it, so …yeah, nothing to worry about on my end. Just wanting to have interesting conversations.

I'd say deleting a discord over forum threads is a cause for concern.

As for the thread itself. Yes, i have told at least 10 people to uninstall the game and don't play it again. Reason being they started raging and throwing tantrums over the smallest thing, to me that's a sign of mental instability, when a person is on that phase, you should not play games, instead you should find a way to deal with that issue first and then play the game.

And before someone asks me why i know that's a sign of mental instability, I know because I've been there myself a few years ago.

[KaivaC]

There are too many comments for me, and I don't think I'll be able to respond to all of them. I've read every comment, though, it'll just be a little difficult to respond to each and every one of them. Sorry about that.

Have you ever stopped and considered that you might be the antagonist? You've posted over a dozen threads with the same kind of antagonistic language, which all point to attention seeking (there is even a psychological name for this "Histrionic personality disorder") from the raiders.

I don't argue against parsers without reason, and this is specifically the kind of reason why parsers are bad. Until such time the developers of such tools implement a way to specifically opt-in through consent, instead of "opt-out" to being parsed, this kind of drama will continue. It only takes one person using it as bludgeon to make players upset. Upset the wrong person, and that person will be out for blood.

Whatever you did, certainly didn't justify deleting your character, and I assume that earlier instance of your avatar going missing was likely related. If players in the game do not want to be friends with you, then they are under no obligation to do so. If the people on the forum are telling you to stop being destructive to yourself, then they are not doing that out of malice. Any of the armchair psychologists on the forum can see that the game is causing you some kind of mental anguish, so if you think you need to leave the game, just take a break. Contrary to what some raiders seem to think, the game is not a git-gud competition. Either you're having fun, or you're not.

You are not chained to the game. If the game is making you have destructive thoughts, please see an actual professional, and don't use the forums/discord/reddit/etc as a way to gauge your mental health. Social media is bad for your mental health.

I know that you’ve been getting replied to directly, but I’ll add my own comments to this. First off, I’m not part of the raiding community per se as you might think it is – I like to raid, yes, but I’m not what you would consider part of them because I’m not good enough to be on their level. And we’ll just leave it at that – this is not a discussion about raiding, parsing, etc. But…I would like to know a little more about the ‘antagonist’ thing that you mentioned. I don’t really converse with others in-game, save for saying hello, farewell, discussing strats, admitting if I made a mistake, discussing strategy for a particular fight, and asking if someone needs help. Other than that, I generally do not engage in conversation with others in game unless I actually know them.

Thread really has nothing to do with my prior topics. Same with my main and discord – I had my reasons and I’ll leave it at that. The rest of your response…would really take away from the thread, therefore I am opting to not respond to them. That kind of stuff requires me to provide a reason for certain things, and I am uncomfortable with sharing those reasons.

Back to the topic on hand, as I mentioned above, I posted a general discussion. Some may see a trend with my discussions lately, but there is no trend with this discussion. Hence why I did not post any personal example to go along with the original post.

Yes, i have told at least 10 people to uninstall the game and don't play it again. Reason being they started raging and throwing tantrums over the smallest thing, to me that's a sign of mental instability, when a person is on that phase, you should not play games, instead you should find a way to deal with that issue first and then play the game.

And before someone asks me why i know that's a sign of mental instability, I know because I've been there myself a few years ago.

Fair enough. I do understand that part, I can attest to this in other game genres - Overwatch, in particular because of how...well, folks who play Overwatch know how heated it can become, especially during a competitive season. It's largely why I quit Call of Duty - too much rage when trying to compete at a higher level. You make some fair points.

[BillyKaplan]

I left the questions pretty general and open-ended purposely just for conversation reasons.

You should've gone with a question the answer to which wasn't so cut and dry, then. There's a reason why this thread became such an echo-chamber with very few exceptions. Glad to hear you're doing ok.

And before someone asks me why i know that's a sign of mental instability, I know because I've been there myself a few years ago.

While I respect that your own personal experience, it's still projecting and putting people under umbrellas they might not fit under. The fact that's what brought you to that place might not be what brought others there.

[Crystal_Raven]

You should've gone with a question the answer to which wasn't so cut and dry, then. There's a reason why this thread became such an echo-chamber with very few exceptions. Glad to hear you're doing ok.



While I respect that your own personal experience, it's still projecting and putting people under umbrellas they might not fit under. The fact that's what brought you to that place might not be what brought others there.

If you as a person genuinely get angry at a video game, then you have pretty big issues.

You is used as a general term, not you personally.