(Rant Post) Why Does It Feel Like Giving Advice Is Evil?

[Ruf]

The sarcasm was lost on you, it seems.

Logic & self thinking was lost on you it seems.At least Super_Bee_Brian seems to think for hisself.

[HyoMinPark]

Logic & self thinking was lost on you it seems.At least

Mmmm, yeah okay.

[CrystalRainbow]

Some people want to play better other feel it is a game and they can play how they want. The later often don't want advices.
I am part of the later but like getting better so I don't mind. It also how the person comes across with the info.
If they are OMFG do you even know how to play your damn job use Fire 3 then fire 1 a bunch... IE lower levels not max level.
VS
I see your rotations isn't optinmal, I play blm main would you like tips?

[Crystal_Raven]

well, being kicked for any reason isn't fun, and people have to process that. I'd argue people who play for fun over time just ignore savage, because it isn't fun at all, its so srs business.

You'd be surprised how many terrible players try to step in savage. I always ask them why are they here when their performance is not good enough for extreme, let alone savage. The response is almost always "because i want to", which is OK, if you're going to drag the party down and make the rest of us pick up your slack, i will not hesitate to remove that person from the party. It's always fun to see who the party considers is more needed, a good healer, or a subpar DPS with a mouth on him that's holding everyone back.

Tip: It's never going to be the healer that gets kicked.

[Pyro2hell3]

Tip: It's never going to be the healer that gets kicked.

this is so true its depressing there has been several times where i keep dying from unavoidable raid wide aoes or various other things in which the way you live through is have a healer heal you then i get blamed for the healers fuck ups and get kicked
granted I seem to end up with bad healers way more then is normal but still

[Crystal_Raven]

this is so true its depressing there has been several times where i keep dying from unavoidable raid wide aoes or various other things in which the way you live through is have a healer heal you then i get blamed for the healers fuck ups and get kicked
granted I seem to end up with bad healers way more then is normal but still

Unlucky, and to be fair that's just rude on the healers part. The only DPS players I remove from parties are the ones that are just bad, constantly keep dying, low damage and refuse to learn.

That's why i said a good healer, unfortunately it's difficult to tell the difference between a good healer and a bad healer if the rest don't know the raid too well to know which attacks are entirely the healers job to heal through and which can be avoided, it makes it rather tricky. A lot of bad healers abuse their position of being a rare species as well.

Shame you're not on my server so we can jump in raids together.

[StarRosie]

The bottom line here is that if someone offers you unsolicited advice you are the one who chooses your reaction, not them. Do you act like a petulant child or an adult?

I know I'm gonna regret jumping into this debate but, there is another facet to this. These people are not required or obligated to listen or take said unsolicited advice and they can easily and politely turn the advice down. I've had people I try to help as a mentor politely turn my advice down and ask to be allowed to learn at their own pace. At that point, it became my choice on how I choose to react, and I choose to act respectfully of their wishes and move on.

Everyone is different, plays for different reasons and overall has different priorities. There will always be bad players beyond help, who work to do the bare minimum and nothing but. There will always be folks who struggle even when given helpful advice. There will always be jerks who snap at you but there will also be folks who are respectful too. I find it for more rewarding and a better use of my energy, to focus on those who are respectful and want to be helped, then get angry over those who don't want to be help and decide to scream at me for trying to help. We can't save everyone.

I also think it is a mentality thing, I think we focus so much on those who screech at us for trying to help that it skews our perception of how many actually do. I find when I look at the numbers, there are far more people who have either listened to my advice or explanations, then there have been folks who screamed at me for trying to help. It's like when you go through a road with a lot of traffic lights, you focus more on the times you get all reds then when you get all greens because all red gets you angry and it has a bigger impact on you then the passive and nice all green moments. If that makes any sense.

I guess what I’m trying to say in the end is, don’t give the folks who yell at you for trying to help the time of day in your mind. It’s not worth it and hurts in the long run, I know that sounds over simplified but, it’s not. Just, don’t give jerks the time of day and remember the cool folks who are respectful.

Anyways, that’s about it from me. Back to my lurker cave!

[Jijifli]

OP, the reason why people don't appreciate your advice is because you're a lalafell. Lalafell are just kids.

If you really wanted to be taken seriously, you must be a Roegadyn.

I do RP as a thirteen year old...

Wait this is starting to make sense. Crap.

[Gallus]

Because "offering friendly advice" is the oldest of the harasser's excuse.

Nobody needs "friendly" advice in the form of telling someone it's their fault you've just wiped in your last boss when you are in a party with 6 more people looking at your chat.

People naturally get defensive over harassment even if it's poorly disguised as "friendly advice". And in the very rare case you really are trying to help and being tactful with a person that is making a mistake, you can blame their possibly bad reaction on the terrible reputation earned through insults and bad behaviour from most of your so called "friendly advice givers" who won't hesitate to shame and ridicule anyone who stands on their way.

The "People refuse to learn" is garbage. People just have different aims, aspirations and capabilities. Lack of empathy truly is a thing.

[Rikuide]

Majority of players can't take advice or when you give them advice they get butthurt and think you are telling them what to do, and as a result they lash out at you because they know you are better than them and they know you are right, but tiny brains can't process that due to ego.


Just let them be bad. They'll learn the hard way.

Bit of advice my man; head to FFLogs.com, hide your logs and then give it the 'I'm better' chat. Works better that way.