(Rant Post) Why Does It Feel Like Giving Advice Is Evil?

[Camiie]

To no one in particular:
No matter how experienced you are in playtime and/or content completed, you are not an authority figure. You are the exact same rank as the guy who started a couple weeks ago, boosted up his character, and is running something for the first time. You are his peer. Nothing more. That will never change. My advice is to keep that in mind before you decide how to approach someone.

[Thoosa]

I guess for me it depends on the tone of the advice and who it’s coming from. My FC friends tend to give me advice, but I’m fine with it as I know them and how they type normally.

I don’t think it’s hard to give friendly advice and not make it appear harshly on text.

Unfortunately most advice seems to be given in the heat of a situation where the person giving the advice is frustrated and the person receiving it is probably annoyed that they are failing and can’t clear the content, either because they feel themselves that they are not good enough or they are expecting to hide and be carried through it.

[AnhJack]

You think it is an "advice", others perceived it as an "opinion". In a fight, there is no confirmation by Square Enix to indicate if you were giving the best strategy. When you give an advice, it is still something that you do often, and it works for you. It doesn't mean that it will work for me or the other 7 people.

By giving me advice, you are unintentionally telling me that my way of doing the fight is "not preferred by you". Maybe it is our way of communicating, the vocab choice that makes other players not wanting to participate.

Try not to be offended or angry or lose belief because I don't accept your advice. Trump is advicing us to build a wall. I have never build a wall, I don't know if that is the best strategy, so I do not want to try that strategy at this time. When I realize that I want to try the wall-strat, I will look for Trump and ask how to do it.

[KaldeaSahaline]

I play tennis at a fairly competitive level (USTA 4.5) and I regularly get unsolicited advice from random people watching my matches, my opponent, or anyone in between.

It's called people sharing a hobby (in my case tennis). Giving advice is something people do in these situations. Gaming is 100% no different. We all share the hobby and there will always be someone who knows more than you so no matter how awful advice is presented be an adult and accept it with grace and weigh it's accuracy/relevancy. That skill will serve you infinitely more IRL than learning to rage because someone said something negative about you.

I once played a guy who was clearly a scumbag 5.0 sandbagging (nearly undefeated in the 4.5 division) and after he whooped my ass literally free, he had a few tips. He didn't hold my hand and say it's ok baby here's what you do, he said, your running forehand is a big weak spot in your game. Either get set earlier or develop that tool so it doesn't get abused so easily and walked off the court.

I learned a pretty filthy defensive forehand shot that has won me a ton of points since then. The bottom line here is that if someone offers you unsolicited advice you are the one who chooses your reaction, not them. Do you act like a petulant child or an adult?

[Ilan]

You think it is an "advice", others perceived it as an "opinion". In a fight, there is no confirmation by Square Enix to indicate if you were giving the best strategy. When you give an advice, it is still something that you do often, and it works for you. It doesn't mean that it will work for me or the other 7 people.

By giving me advice, you are unintentionally telling me that my way of doing the fight is "not preferred by you". Maybe it is our way of communicating, the vocab choice that makes other players not wanting to participate.

Try not to be offended or angry or lose belief because I don't accept your advice. Trump is advicing us to build a wall. I have never build a wall, I don't know if that is the best strategy, so I do not want to try that strategy at this time. When I realize that I want to try the wall-strat, I will look for Trump and ask how to do it.

There are certain ways to do mechanics and how rotations work no one needs SE's confirmation for that. If someone explains you the mechanics and gives you tipps for your rotation because you do things obviously wrong, you should take the advice because this person wants to help you.

Comparing people who help inexperienced players (who obviously need help when they fail completly in mechanics and/or rotations) with trump is a freakin insult. But it shows very good what type of player you are.

[AnhJack]

There are certain ways to do mechanics and how rotations work no one needs SE's confirmation for that. If someone explains you the mechanics and gives you tipps for your rotation because you do things obviously wrong, you should take the advice because this person wants to help you.

Comparing people who help inexperienced players (who obviously need help when they fail completly in mechanics and/or rotations) with trump is a freakin insult. But it shows very good what type of player you are.

Ya, there is no issue of me being honest to the community. I do not accept any advice unless I specifically ask for it. You can be Christiano Ronaldo, and try to teach me how to shoot a ball the way you like it. But I like to shoot it a different way. Doesn't matter what I do with my rotation, as long as we clear it, it's fine, with me. If not, I'll do my own research.

Advice is a gift. And if I want to use, I will use. If not, I throw it in the trash.

[RiyahArp]

I play tennis at a fairly competitive level (USTA 4.5) and I regularly get unsolicited advice from random people watching my matches, my opponent, or anyone in between.

but you are a professional, sorted into a group of professionals only. Your motivation is much different than someone who plays for fun. A person who plays for enjoyment isn't really going to care about self improvement compared to someone who stakes some of their identity on playing. Its just usually in sports they sort all the enjoyment people out in grade school, even.

(which is bad because now we all watch sports instead of playing them)

[Crystal_Raven]

A person who plays for enjoyment isn't really going to care about self improvement

Then why do the same people care about being kicked from raids when they underperform and are not needed therefore they get removed and replaced?

If you don't care about your performance, you shouldn't care about being kicked either. This is an MMO, raids are a team effort, if one refuses to learn, that's fine, get out of the party.

[NanaWiloh]

I play tennis at a fairly competitive level (USTA 4.5) and I regularly get unsolicited advice from random people watching my matches, my opponent, or anyone in between.

It's called people sharing a hobby (in my case tennis). Giving advice is something people do in these situations. Gaming is 100% no different. We all share the hobby and there will always be someone who knows more than you so no matter how awful advice is presented be an adult and accept it with grace and weigh it's accuracy/relevancy. That skill will serve you infinitely more IRL than learning to rage because someone said something negative about you.

I once played a guy who was clearly a scumbag 5.0 sandbagging (nearly undefeated in the 4.5 division) and after he whooped my ass literally free, he had a few tips. He didn't hold my hand and say it's ok baby here's what you do, he said, your running forehand is a big weak spot in your game. Either get set earlier or develop that tool so it doesn't get abused so easily and walked off the court.

I learned a pretty filthy defensive forehand shot that has won me a ton of points since then. The bottom line here is that if someone offers you unsolicited advice you are the one who chooses your reaction, not them. Do you act like a petulant child or an adult?

Same can be said for Advice givers, when your advice is rejected or unused how you behave followng that speaks loads. Do you act like an adult and move on or like child and throw a fit.

[Ilan]

Ya, there is no issue of me being honest to the community. I do not accept any advice unless I specifically ask for it. You can be Christiano Ronaldo, and try to teach me how to shoot a ball the way you like it. But I like to shoot it a different way. Doesn't matter what I do with my rotation, as long as we clear it, it's fine, with me. If not, I'll do my own research.

Advice is a gift. And if I want to use, I will use. If not, I throw it in the trash.

Good that i will never end up with you in my party because i don't like people who are ungrateful and completly self centered. You show that you don't even have one bit respect for the people you play with.